Bioshock - Page 3

4x0n · 28-August-07, 10:26 AM

The audio diary system is probably what makes this game the spiritual successor to System Shock, nothing else seems to be similar

Master Yunk · 28-August-07, 10:43 PM

The Audio diaries add such an awesome amount of depth to the game, and imho, they thresh out specific details to the whole storyline.

For Example...

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Originally Posted by ZOMG SPOILER


	The Prostitute Jasmine's sale of her egg to Fontaine

Wafflesomd · 28-August-07, 10:48 PM

Why should I have to listen to them, why couldn't they just, force the player to hear them, rather than let him choose. Having a choice is ok in some area's, but not story line.

What would say, FF7 be like if you had an option to experience the story?

TiZakit · 29-August-07, 12:14 AM

its up to you to decide how you want to play the game.

I hate the word FORCE, so strong... The player shouldn't really be forced into anything, it should feel like a natural progression, even better if you can show choice in that.

you also have to remember that this is an FPS, and not an RPG. RPG's need a story to stay alive, moving around for no reason and lvling up is boring. RPG's are based on stories.

FPS on the other hand, is at its roots, nearly lacking of a plot. Story started to become popular around the time of Half-Life (Half-life did an excellent job of story... all driven by what you see going on around you)

I think it is the merging of these genres that we see today that makes great games, look at all the RPG elements in BioShock... The plasmid swapping and weapon/ammo crafting for instance.

So bottom line, if you want to really experiance the game, play the damn tapes. If you want to just go through it, not paying attention to how detailed and fleshed out everything is, don't even bother to pick them up.

Wafflesomd · 29-August-07, 02:39 AM

Deus Ex had an amazing story, and that was an FPS. I guess it's wrong to expect a little more after 7 years.

Intel P4 · 29-August-07, 04:41 AM

Lovely game on the 360.

Just a heads up, 2K has SecuROM from Sony on the PC and the Demo for the PC.

Link goes directly to the DRM section.

BioShock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NCXCStud · 29-August-07, 06:43 AM

Welcome to GA Intel P4

Waffles -

You don't have to listen to them. You can if you want, it's not required...there are about 10 diaries that you have to listen too. However, those play automatically (and they are not difficult to find, being that they are highlighted and are required to figure out what the hell you need to do).

Oh well...if you don't like the game, just say you dont like the game

. Stop beating around the bush about it

.

SexyPants · 29-August-07, 10:26 AM

yeah not to mention you can keep playing the game while you listen. Part of the fun is that your sharp eye and exploration is rewarded by finding tapes that fill in tiny details about the plot

Wafflesomd · 29-August-07, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NCXCStud


	Welcome to GA Intel P4 Waffles - You don't have to listen to them. You can if you want, it's not required...there are about 10 diaries that you have to listen too. However, those play automatically (and they are not difficult to find, being that they are highlighted and are required to figure out what the hell you need to do). Oh well...if you don't like the game, just say you dont like the game . Stop beating around the bush about it .

The game is OK IMO.

I would say that, but then everyone attacks me because I don't think the game is amazing :/

NCXCStud · 29-August-07, 02:42 PM

You're entitled to your opinion. I think the game is great. of course it doesn't live up to the hype surrounding it (no game ever does), but I have yet to play a FPS genred game with as much freedom and style as Bioshock.

The story is exceptional
The voice acting is top notch (I dare anyone to find a game with better voice acting)
The controls are precise and fluid (on the 360, haven't played it [probably never will] on the PC)
The graphics are very, very good
It has plenty of 'creepy' moments that make me go "ahh" But I'm a wimp, so who cares, lol

The only drawback I can find with the game, is that there is no real punishment for dying...you come back to life, and the enemy(ies) you were fighting is still 'hurt'

Though, I must say, there isn't anything better than setting up 3-5 trap bolts...then getting one of those 'bouncer' big daddies to rush you and fall at your knees...

But, again to each his own.

As plenty have stated - You don't have to listen to the diaries...they're extra stuff...Of course, the way that Bioshock gives you the 'rest of the story' is a million times better than Metroid Prime 1,2,3 in my opinion...

In fact, in the way that I play the game, I don't listen to the diaries as I'm playing, after I collect about 5 of them, I take a breather and listen to what the 'folks of the game' have to say...

Wafflesomd · 29-August-07, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NCXCStud


	As plenty have stated - You don't have to listen to the diaries...they're extra stuff...Of course, the way that Bioshock gives you the 'rest of the story' is a million times better than Metroid Prime 1,2,3 in my opinion...

How the hell did MP get into this?!

Intel P4 · 29-August-07, 11:34 PM

The game is great, graphics and story everything.

I'm not against the game just the SecuROM on the PC version, So I'd rather pick the 360 version then the PC

NCXCStud · 30-August-07, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wafflesomd


	How the hell did MP get into this?!

Giving an example of how another game gives you the rest of the story that I think is 'inferior' to Bioshock. Just an example.

Wafflesomd · 30-August-07, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NCXCStud


	Giving an example of how another game gives you the rest of the story that I think is 'inferior' to Bioshock. Just an example.

Well, considering all the metroid games didn't really have much of an active story, they're kind of a bad example.

TiZakit · 30-August-07, 04:47 PM

What then, is a good example?

In a perfect game, how would you like the story presented?

Wafflesomd · 30-August-07, 04:56 PM

Who cares anymore.

it's not like my opinion's going to change your mind about the game.

TiZakit · 30-August-07, 05:08 PM

It never really bothered me that you don't like the game, I figure you can't please all of the people all of the time...

I'm more curious than anything else. Or did you just dig yourself into a hole?

Wafflesomd · 30-August-07, 06:07 PM

I never found the metroid series to have anything near an active story line, you really have to research it outside of the game to understand anything. I just think metroid wasn't really a game to compare Bioshock to.

I would've used a game like Deus Ex, or Far Cry 9crappy story anyways lol) maybe.

What do I know, I didn't even listen to the boring audio diaries, so there wasn't really a story in Bioshock for me.

Baka Sempai · 31-August-07, 12:00 AM

Well, I picked this bad boy up for PC just yesterday. I'm about 5 hours in. Taken out 5 Big Daddy's, let me tell you, hella tough imho.

I've experienced none of the common glitches that PC players have had, such as SecureROM malfunctions, audio spaz-outs, hitching, etc... and I'm running on an AMD64 with an NVidia 7600 GS, graphics maxed. I adore the hacking mini-game (which is a lot easier with a mouse pointer) and I find the controls a lot easier on the PC than my friend's 360... but I've always been a mouse and keyboard gamer.

Spectacular game thus far, I believe it's done a good job of living up to the hype. I don't think it's what everyone was expecting (with some of the previews you'd have thought it was the messiah of the FPS genre) and outside of it's core combat, I almost have a hard time accepting it as an FPS, considering how little I find myself using my gun and how often I find myself exploring nooks and crannies for hidden diaries, or some good whiskey and a pack of cigs :wink: less run-and-gun, more stop-and-think, kinda like Deus Ex.

My 2 coppers for the day.

reflux · 31-August-07, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wafflesomd


	Deus Ex had an amazing story, and that was an FPS. I guess it's wrong to expect a little more after 7 years.

Bioshock's story isn't as strong, but it sure as hell reminds me of Deus Ex because the combat and the approach you take to it is so freeform.

I would say the game is a bit overhyped, but it's still very good. I think they tried to focus more on the creativity of the level design and player experience rather than the story, and when you consider that the story is only important to a minority of gamers, that would make sense. Personally I dislike compromises made for the console kids, but hey ho, if it sells well on the 360 and Levine and his team do well out of it, they deserve to do so.

28-August-07, 10:26 AM	#41 (permalink)
4x0n Proud New Daddy Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reykjavík, Iceland Posts: 2,067	The audio diary system is probably what makes this game the spiritual successor to System Shock, nothing else seems to be similar __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put one in a fruit salad."

29-August-07, 12:14 AM	#44 (permalink)
TiZakit Apex Tech Demi-God Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, Ohio Posts: 1,757	its up to you to decide how you want to play the game. I hate the word FORCE, so strong... The player shouldn't really be forced into anything, it should feel like a natural progression, even better if you can show choice in that. you also have to remember that this is an FPS, and not an RPG. RPG's need a story to stay alive, moving around for no reason and lvling up is boring. RPG's are based on stories. FPS on the other hand, is at its roots, nearly lacking of a plot. Story started to become popular around the time of Half-Life (Half-life did an excellent job of story... all driven by what you see going on around you) I think it is the merging of these genres that we see today that makes great games, look at all the RPG elements in BioShock... The plasmid swapping and weapon/ammo crafting for instance. So bottom line, if you want to really experiance the game, play the damn tapes. If you want to just go through it, not paying attention to how detailed and fleshed out everything is, don't even bother to pick them up. __________________

29-August-07, 06:43 AM	#47 (permalink)
NCXCStud Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 712	Welcome to GA Intel P4 Waffles - You don't have to listen to them. You can if you want, it's not required...there are about 10 diaries that you have to listen too. However, those play automatically (and they are not difficult to find, being that they are highlighted and are required to figure out what the hell you need to do). Oh well...if you don't like the game, just say you dont like the game . Stop beating around the bush about it . __________________ Currently at Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary on a path, called by God, to serve his church as an ordained Lutheran minister. Pray for me, pray really hard

29-August-07, 02:42 PM	#50 (permalink)
NCXCStud Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 712	You're entitled to your opinion. I think the game is great. of course it doesn't live up to the hype surrounding it (no game ever does), but I have yet to play a FPS genred game with as much freedom and style as Bioshock. The story is exceptional The voice acting is top notch (I dare anyone to find a game with better voice acting) The controls are precise and fluid (on the 360, haven't played it [probably never will] on the PC) The graphics are very, very good It has plenty of 'creepy' moments that make me go "ahh" But I'm a wimp, so who cares, lol The only drawback I can find with the game, is that there is no real punishment for dying...you come back to life, and the enemy(ies) you were fighting is still 'hurt' Though, I must say, there isn't anything better than setting up 3-5 trap bolts...then getting one of those 'bouncer' big daddies to rush you and fall at your knees... But, again to each his own. As plenty have stated - You don't have to listen to the diaries...they're extra stuff...Of course, the way that Bioshock gives you the 'rest of the story' is a million times better than Metroid Prime 1,2,3 in my opinion... In fact, in the way that I play the game, I don't listen to the diaries as I'm playing, after I collect about 5 of them, I take a breather and listen to what the 'folks of the game' have to say... __________________ Currently at Lutheran Theological Southern Seminary on a path, called by God, to serve his church as an ordained Lutheran minister. Pray for me, pray really hard

30-August-07, 04:47 PM	#55 (permalink)
TiZakit Apex Tech Demi-God Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, Ohio Posts: 1,757	What then, is a good example? In a perfect game, how would you like the story presented? __________________

28-August-07, 10:48 PM	#43 (permalink)
Wafflesomd Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,923	Why should I have to listen to them, why couldn't they just, force the player to hear them, rather than let him choose. Having a choice is ok in some area's, but not story line. What would say, FF7 be like if you had an option to experience the story?

29-August-07, 02:39 AM	#45 (permalink)
Wafflesomd Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,923	Deus Ex had an amazing story, and that was an FPS. I guess it's wrong to expect a little more after 7 years.

29-August-07, 04:41 AM	#46 (permalink)
Intel P4 Apex Master Tech Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dubai U.A.E Posts: 411	Lovely game on the 360. Just a heads up, 2K has SecuROM from Sony on the PC and the Demo for the PC. Link goes directly to the DRM section. BioShock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

29-August-07, 10:26 AM	#48 (permalink)
SexyPants 5-Hoe-1 Jeans Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,172	yeah not to mention you can keep playing the game while you listen. Part of the fun is that your sharp eye and exploration is rewarded by finding tapes that fill in tiny details about the plot

29-August-07, 11:34 PM	#52 (permalink)
Intel P4 Apex Master Tech Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dubai U.A.E Posts: 411	The game is great, graphics and story everything. I'm not against the game just the SecuROM on the PC version, So I'd rather pick the 360 version then the PC

30-August-07, 04:56 PM	#56 (permalink)
Wafflesomd Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,923	Who cares anymore. it's not like my opinion's going to change your mind about the game.

30-August-07, 05:08 PM	#57 (permalink)
TiZakit Apex Tech Demi-God Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brooklyn, Ohio Posts: 1,757	It never really bothered me that you don't like the game, I figure you can't please all of the people all of the time... I'm more curious than anything else. Or did you just dig yourself into a hole? __________________

30-August-07, 06:07 PM	#58 (permalink)
Wafflesomd Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,923	I never found the metroid series to have anything near an active story line, you really have to research it outside of the game to understand anything. I just think metroid wasn't really a game to compare Bioshock to. I would've used a game like Deus Ex, or Far Cry 9crappy story anyways lol) maybe. What do I know, I didn't even listen to the boring audio diaries, so there wasn't really a story in Bioshock for me.

31-August-07, 12:00 AM	#59 (permalink)
Baka Sempai Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Somewhere between here and over there Posts: 295	Well, I picked this bad boy up for PC just yesterday. I'm about 5 hours in. Taken out 5 Big Daddy's, let me tell you, hella tough imho. I've experienced none of the common glitches that PC players have had, such as SecureROM malfunctions, audio spaz-outs, hitching, etc... and I'm running on an AMD64 with an NVidia 7600 GS, graphics maxed. I adore the hacking mini-game (which is a lot easier with a mouse pointer) and I find the controls a lot easier on the PC than my friend's 360... but I've always been a mouse and keyboard gamer. Spectacular game thus far, I believe it's done a good job of living up to the hype. I don't think it's what everyone was expecting (with some of the previews you'd have thought it was the messiah of the FPS genre) and outside of it's core combat, I almost have a hard time accepting it as an FPS, considering how little I find myself using my gun and how often I find myself exploring nooks and crannies for hidden diaries, or some good whiskey and a pack of cigs :wink: less run-and-gun, more stop-and-think, kinda like Deus Ex. My 2 coppers for the day.