goodman123

well i lurn about it a few hours ago & thought this is great , i could run 2 ,3 or more os without having to deal with dual bootting or restart so i d/l a 45 dys trial from m$ site & installed the software

well not that easy as the say , i just can't install win98se with this program
the error i'm getting is (after floppy loaded & start the win98se setup with virtual pc within xp) ...

- Cannot created a temporary directory if you have hpfs or ntfs installed on your hd you will need to created an ms-dos boot partition to set up windows -


yeah i know this that i'm on ntfs you stup.. F....! (talking to the m$ sh*t vpc )
anyhow i thought the virtual pc would take care of it automacticly but it does not
now does this means that i will have to format 1 partition with Fat32?
if yes then i'm back to square one dual booting , no?

thx! for the help

if you need more infos please let me know

EDIT : i forgot to say that when i'm using mvpc i can't use my internet (can't go on line) even when i exit the program i've got to uninstall vpc in order to get my internet back , dont know why?

drougnor

Well, I won't be able to tell you why VPC is screwing up your internet access, but yeah, you hit it on the nail with needing a partition that's formatted to either FAT 16 or FAT 32.

You don't need a boot partition specifically (That's just windows 98's error message), just a second partition. Heck, I created a 2 gig junk partition back when I messed with VPC and used it to run linux, Win 98 and even Win 3.11 on. I'd just use Partition Magic to reformat the partition to what I needed it to be, and I was off and running.

Edit - I can't remember exactly, but I think you could also create virtual partitions . . . I seem to remember that the program could create files the size of the partition you wanted to use and it would create a file system and all that within the file. It's been a couple of years, tho, so don't hold me to my word on that.

Edit Pt 2 - Ok, went to M$ and looked up VPC . . . they've got an eval doc that covers the main points of the proggie, and I found this :

Fixed virtual hard disks. Virtual hard disks are in a single file that users create on the physical computerÂ’s hard disk. The file is approximately the same size as the virtual hard disk and doesnÂ’t grow or shrink in size. For example, if a virtual hard disk is 2 GB, the file containing the hard disk is 2 GB.

So this tells me that there's gotta be a setting in there to do exactly what I thought I was remembering. Tell it to set up a file, what size and what format, and then assign it to be the drive.

Hope that helps!

BobTheBuilder

Try VMWare. You can download a 30 day eval copy here. (just click the evaluations link on the VMWare homepage). I like VMWare better than the MS Virtual PC and VMWare has several flavors that give you more flexibility than the MS product. But VMWare is a lot more expensive than the MS VPC.

THRASHER2

Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheBuilder Try VMWare. You can download a 30 day eval copy here. (just click the evaluations link on the VMWare homepage). I like VMWare better than the MS Virtual PC and VMWare has several flavors that give you more flexibility than the MS product. But VMWare is a lot more expensive than the MS VPC.

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Joose

When you setup your VPC, you've got to create and assign resources to it. Create a Fat32 virtual drive in VPC and assign it to your W98 VPC. Then you can install W98 on that virtual drive. Make sure you've got lots of RAM in your system, especially if you're going to run multiple VPC's.

BobTheBuilder

One more detail about the VMWare eval that I forgot. When the 30 day eval period is up, you can uninstall and reinstall the eval copy of the desktop version and get a fresh 30 days. You also can keep using the VM build across evaluations.

Thanks for the greetz Thrasher2. Good to be here.

goodman123

Quote: Originally Posted by pimp joose When you setup your VPC, you've got to create and assign resources to it. Create a Fat32 virtual drive in VPC and assign it to your W98 VPC. Then you can install W98 on that virtual drive. Make sure you've got lots of RAM in your system, especially if you're going to run multiple VPC's.

i've got no options for choosing the fat all i've got is choose my size of vhd so i give 6 gb then wich os i like to put there then i choose Windows 98 then the ram i put 64 mb etc... but no where i see where i could format this new Vhd?

ranger1033

Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheBuilder Try VMWare. You can download a 30 day eval copy here. (just click the evaluations link on the VMWare homepage). I like VMWare better than the MS Virtual PC and VMWare has several flavors that give you more flexibility than the MS product. But VMWare is a lot more expensive than the MS VPC.

Hello and welcome to PR BobThe Builder

BobTheBuilder

Quote: Originally Posted by ranger1033 Hello and welcome to PR BobThe Builder

Thanks for the greetings all. I'm geting a cool positive vibe here on PimpRig!

Just to stay on topic...the network issues may be due to bridging the virtual NIC. I use NAT and have better luck. For example, bridging your connection can cause you problems with managed (intellegent) switches. The managed switch will be set by default to shut down the port if the switch senses a change in the spanning tree. (Note: I'm talking about a higher end switch here, not the retail type). But that is the kind of thing you have to be aware of when setting up your VM. RTFM is the word to the wise here.

The hard disk issues could be caused by allowing your VM to use the computers raw disk.

Virtual hard disks are made up of files that are typically stored on your host computer's hard disk. You may need to give your virtual machine direct access to a physical hard drive on your host computer—using the disk type also referred to as a raw disk.

The problem is if you are setting up a bootable disk on a RAW disk rather than a virtual disk you can cause file system issues. Worse yet, if you try to use a different file system alltogether you could corrupt the whole disk and break the partition table.

Hope this helps clear up why some of the stuff is happening. My advice to fix it? Reformat, reimage your base OS, install your VM of choice and use NAT for your network connection and a Virtual disk for your VM OS, only use a raw disk as a secondary disk (d: drive).

Oh yea pimp joose is right, you need PLENTY of RAM for VM. 256 extra for each simultanious session. (on top of the 256 or more for your base OS).

GlitterKill

My recommendation as far as a remote control app is http://www.remotelyanywhere.com . THis app lets you control your PC from ANY internet connected web browser! No special client needed. It lets you control your pc as though you were tight in front of it as well as upload and download files via a file browser.

All you remote control junkies should really give this a look.

goodman123

Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheBuilder Thanks for the greetings all. I'm geting a cool positive vibe here on PimpRig! Just to stay on topic...the network issues may be due to bridging the virtual NIC. I use NAT and have better luck. For example, bridging your connection can cause you problems with managed (intellegent) switches. The managed switch will be set by default to shut down the port if the switch senses a change in the spanning tree. (Note: I'm talking about a higher end switch here, not the retail type). But that is the kind of thing you have to be aware of when setting up your VM. RTFM is the word to the wise here. The hard disk issues could be caused by allowing your VM to use the computers raw disk. Virtual hard disks are made up of files that are typically stored on your host computer's hard disk. You may need to give your virtual machine direct access to a physical hard drive on your host computer—using the disk type also referred to as a raw disk. The problem is if you are setting up a bootable disk on a RAW disk rather than a virtual disk you can cause file system issues. Worse yet, if you try to use a different file system alltogether you could corrupt the whole disk and break the partition table. Hope this helps clear up why some of the stuff is happening. My advice to fix it? Reformat, reimage your base OS, install your VM of choice and use NAT for your network connection and a Virtual disk for your VM OS, only use a raw disk as a secondary disk (d: drive). Oh yea pimp joose is right, you need PLENTY of RAM for VM. 256 extra for each simultanious session. (on top of the 256 or more for your base OS).

well first thx for trying to help me on this connection problem but i did understand nothing!
i know what is NIC (Network Internet Connection ,i think?) but NAT? no idea??
BTW : i got cable connection so all i need to do is install my Ethernet card (on-board) driver & that's it i'm online no pass , no id , no configurations blah! , blah! very simple & easy lollll

Thanks! to all of you for trying to help me with this vpc thing but i decide to give it up
i like things that are simple , auto & fast
don't get me wrong i use to do some programing in the old days with Basica & Dos & use to make some games (pretty basic)

anyway since the first release of windows 95 things got much more easy & then a lot better when 98se came out so i'm use now to just click install & then you're done no configuration to do , it's so simple & easy now a day & that the way i like it
now today you got all kind of programs out there like C++ that look 10 time harder to lurn then what Dos was (that to i've give it up)

i'm so lazy now thank you M$

anyhow i wanted to lurn this because my dad was planing to redo his computer so that he wouldn't have to deal with dual booting but i guess he's going to put back dual booting after all it's the easyer way to do it
maybe my dad would wanted to lurn it? (He was my teacher in the old days when i first started back in 1988)

but for me i'm just using a second pc for my dual booting W98se & XP (98se for older games) & only XP Pro on my main pc wich i like better then all the other windows so far

BobTheBuilder

NAT=Network Address Translation

Short for Network Address Translation, an Internet standard that enables a local-area network (LAN) to use one set of IP addresses for internal traffic and a second set of addresses for external traffic. A NAT box located where the LAN meets the Internet makes all necessary IP address translations.

In VM you set up a virtual NAT, it's a little like a virtual router. And is probably the answer to the internet connection issue you mentioned.

I would also highly recommend that you set up an actual router between your computer and your high speed Internet modem for security.

Don't give up on the Virtual PC or VMWare. Virtual Machine is great for trying out new software and configurations because you can simply revert to the snapshot and be back to a nice clean OS in seconds!

It is fun to learn new things and what seems complicated now will seem like child’s play once you have gotten yourself familiar with it. Keep playing with it, you will be glad you did.

Good Luck!

turbopsi

NIC = Network Interface Card

goodman123

Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheBuilder NAT=Network Address Translation Short for Network Address Translation, an Internet standard that enables a local-area network (LAN) to use one set of IP addresses for internal traffic and a second set of addresses for external traffic. A NAT box located where the LAN meets the Internet makes all necessary IP address translations. In VM you set up a virtual NAT, it's a little like a virtual router. And is probably the answer to the internet connection issue you mentioned. I would also highly recommend that you set up an actual router between your computer and your high speed Internet modem for security. Don't give up on the Virtual PC or VMWare. Virtual Machine is great for trying out new software and configurations because you can simply revert to the snapshot and be back to a nice clean OS in seconds! It is fun to learn new things and what seems complicated now will seem like childÂ’s play once you have gotten yourself familiar with it. Keep playing with it, you will be glad you did. Good Luck!

well thank you! for all your input
but i'm still not sure if i could understand all that you just said or make my onw virtual NAT?

but anyways i just upgrade my ram yesterday i've bought 2x512 mb so now i got 1 Gb ram (Dual)
bean waiting 6 month for this loll, was to expensive for me but now the price went down realy cheep here $59.xx each so i jump on it before it raise up again.

i may tried this vpc again? but for now i'm given it a rest
i'll go have fun playing my games & do video editing for a while

BTW : Yes i got a router + a software firewall Sygate Pro i tried to enable the firewall in my router but it doesn't want to go , dono why?

goodman123