NTLDR not found (when 2nd HDD installed)???

GLO · 26-April-05, 09:32 AM

I decided to rebuild my HTPC and add a 2nd HDD (on the same IDE cable as the DVD RW), but when i added it, the Plextor DVD burner was only recognised as a CDRW?? Also originally it would not boot and would always give the message that "NTLDR cannot be found, it CNTRL-ALT-DEL to restart"

But i got past this after changing the Jumper settings on the PATA HDD. The HDD that has the OS is a SATA HDD and i think that the Bios is looking at the PATA drive for the OS.

How can i correct this? (I already changed the BIos to list the SATAT drive first then the PATA drive 2nd??? And i have given the PATA HDD its own IDE cable too???

Help!

Thanks

Zer0s · 26-April-05, 09:39 AM

http://forums.pcapex.com/showthread....037#post356037

There you go. All the NTLDR info you need.

GLO · 26-April-05, 09:56 AM

thanks for the link, however this NTLDR only comes up when the 2nd HDD is included.

Otherwise it boots perfectly. Note: the PATA HDD is my backup so i need to get all my info off it!

The problem is not really the NTLDR but how do i instruct the Bios to read the OS from the SATA HDD and not look to the PATA HDD for it????

Zer0s · 26-April-05, 09:59 AM

if it was trying to boot to the PATA hdd, the one with no OS on it. it would say No operating system found. however since the NTLDR error comes up. that thread is still relavent.

FeRaL · 26-April-05, 10:00 AM

What are the specs on your MOBO? I've run into this before, it's you boot order settings that need to be tweaked.

GLO · 26-April-05, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeRaL


	What are the specs on your MOBO? I've run into this before, it's you boot order settings that need to be tweaked.

P4 3.0cGhz
Asus P4P800 E-Deluxe Mobo
1024Mb Corsair TwinX PC3200
160Gb Samsung SATA HDD
80Gb Seagate P-ATA HDD (latest addition, fir backups)
Plextor PX712A DVD burner

GLO · 26-April-05, 10:41 AM

I already have set the Boot sequence in the Bios to SATA then PATA.

However, there was a setting that i played with that said to look for both SATA and PATA drives, I activated this cause i thought it wouldnt recognise the PATA drive with out it?

FeRaL · 26-April-05, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLO


	P4 3.0cGhz Asus P4P800 E-Deluxe Mobo 1024Mb Corsair TwinX PC3200 160Gb Samsung SATA HDD 80Gb Seagate P-ATA HDD (latest addition, fir backups) Plextor PX712A DVD burner

Ok, go to your boot menu in your BIOS, and make sure that your SATA drive is listed before your PATA drive. Most MODO's still list their PATA drives first by default.

Oops, lil late on this one...

GLO · 27-April-05, 12:15 AM

with the PATA drive on its own IDE would cable select make any difference?

FeRaL · 27-April-05, 12:49 AM

It shouldn't. On that PATA drive, was there an OS on it before you had put it on your system or has it always been a "storage" drive?

GLO · 27-April-05, 01:46 AM

I formated the 80Gb drive so their is no longer any OS on it.

nev_payne · 27-April-05, 02:28 PM

If I can clarify somthing related? My moms work PC went down with the same "NTLDR is missing" . But it had nothing to do with installing a 2nd hard drive, or a new hard drive.

The problem was a floppy disk or a zip drive disk (ie removable media) left in a drive that was bootable. REMOVE ALL YOUR MEDIA FROM BOOTABLE DRIVES!

Chrome_Rust · 27-April-05, 04:08 PM

on the asus boards you need to make sure that you have not only the proper boot order assigned but the drive themselves in the proper order. there is 2 menus you need to look at here, the first one you have to make the SATA drive the primary drive then in the other menu you need to list the order of the drive. sonce i no longer have my asus board here i can not help you with what menus they are...

GLO · 27-April-05, 07:19 PM

I have set those to setings in the BIOS, but i found that the boot sequence would often revert back to Default!
Even though i was F10 to save and exit.

xgeko2 · 27-July-05, 02:24 PM

Something you might want to try is to disable the pata drive as a boot drive considering when you boot a drive its in the purpose of booting an os off of that drive. once you do that your bios shouldnt even look to the pata drive for an os to load to memory.

Kemosabe79 · 27-July-05, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLO


	I have set those to setings in the BIOS, but i found that the boot sequence would often revert back to Default! Even though i was F10 to save and exit.

Try setting everything up and saving w/out using f10. Do it through the menu. Every Asus board Ive ever owned would revert to the previous settings If I didnt do it that way.

THRiLL KiLL · 06-August-05, 06:47 PM

bah... sata issues =) my fav.. if it is a older motherboard put the hdd on the secondary ide channel

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Sum_12_fear · 06-August-05, 08:38 PM

I would suggest putting the PATA drive on a seperate cable anyway cause its gonna slow down running with the DVD-RW drive. I would also just take the PATA totally out of the boot sequence not just behind the SATA.

Zer0s · 06-August-05, 11:13 PM

Thrill Kill.....you seriously need to start watching dates on these.

26-April-05, 09:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	NTLDR not found (when 2nd HDD installed)??? I decided to rebuild my HTPC and add a 2nd HDD (on the same IDE cable as the DVD RW), but when i added it, the Plextor DVD burner was only recognised as a CDRW?? Also originally it would not boot and would always give the message that "NTLDR cannot be found, it CNTRL-ALT-DEL to restart" But i got past this after changing the Jumper settings on the PATA HDD. The HDD that has the OS is a SATA HDD and i think that the Bios is looking at the PATA drive for the OS. How can i correct this? (I already changed the BIos to list the SATAT drive first then the PATA drive 2nd??? And i have given the PATA HDD its own IDE cable too??? Help! Thanks __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email! Last edited by GLO; 26-April-05 at 09:51 AM.

26-April-05, 09:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zer0s Apex Tech God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ida"Hoe" Posts: 2,765	http://forums.pcapex.com/showthread....037#post356037 There you go. All the NTLDR info you need. __________________ www.macromedia.com/ shockwave /download/"> Check out TheAnimeSlash @ www.theanimeslash.com

26-April-05, 09:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	thanks for the link, however this NTLDR only comes up when the 2nd HDD is included. Otherwise it boots perfectly. Note: the PATA HDD is my backup so i need to get all my info off it! The problem is not really the NTLDR but how do i instruct the Bios to read the OS from the SATA HDD and not look to the PATA HDD for it???? __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email!

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Zer0s Apex Tech God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ida"Hoe" Posts: 2,765	if it was trying to boot to the PATA hdd, the one with no OS on it. it would say No operating system found. however since the NTLDR error comes up. that thread is still relavent. __________________ www.macromedia.com/ shockwave /download/"> Check out TheAnimeSlash @ www.theanimeslash.com

26-April-05, 10:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
FeRaL Mutant Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: S-"hoe"-Cal Posts: 4,499	What are the specs on your MOBO? I've run into this before, it's you boot order settings that need to be tweaked. __________________

26-April-05, 10:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	I already have set the Boot sequence in the Bios to SATA then PATA. However, there was a setting that i played with that said to look for both SATA and PATA drives, I activated this cause i thought it wouldnt recognise the PATA drive with out it? __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email!

27-April-05, 12:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	with the PATA drive on its own IDE would cable select make any difference? __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email!

27-April-05, 12:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
FeRaL Mutant Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: S-"hoe"-Cal Posts: 4,499	It shouldn't. On that PATA drive, was there an OS on it before you had put it on your system or has it always been a "storage" drive? __________________

27-April-05, 01:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	I formated the 80Gb drive so their is no longer any OS on it. __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email!

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nev_payne Apex Tech God Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Somerset, England UK........ News Threads: 8,143 Posts: 4,085	If I can clarify somthing related? My moms work PC went down with the same "NTLDR is missing" . But it had nothing to do with installing a 2nd hard drive, or a new hard drive. The problem was a floppy disk or a zip drive disk (ie removable media) left in a drive that was bootable. REMOVE ALL YOUR MEDIA FROM BOOTABLE DRIVES! __________________ You have reached Nev's Voicemail. Please leave a message in the PM. Thank-you.

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Chrome_Rust Apex Tech God Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus Grove, OH Posts: 2,590	on the asus boards you need to make sure that you have not only the proper boot order assigned but the drive themselves in the proper order. there is 2 menus you need to look at here, the first one you have to make the SATA drive the primary drive then in the other menu you need to list the order of the drive. sonce i no longer have my asus board here i can not help you with what menus they are... __________________ 1997 Ford Taurus SHO 3.4L Yamaha V8 Flowmaster Exhaust K&N CAI Clear front corners 1999 Head/Tail Light conversion Full LED Conversion Lowered 1.5" 1996 Ford Crown Victoria P71 2000 4.6L V8 2004 P71 Ziptube Flowmaster Exhaust 1998 12.5" brake upgrade 2002 trans with J-Mod 2800 Stall Converter 3.73:1 gears w/ detriot true trac 90mm MAF 75mm TB 24lb injectors UDP's

27-April-05, 07:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
GLO Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 567	I have set those to setings in the BIOS, but i found that the boot sequence would often revert back to Default! Even though i was F10 to save and exit. __________________ Pimpin' my ride : join me in my Twin Turbo Lexus! (yes that a Merc in the avatar, but im talking bout my regular ride!) Thanks to THRASHER2 for my avatar! ps. check your email!

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xgeko2 Apex Master Tech Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA,Ohio Posts: 355	Something you might want to try is to disable the pata drive as a boot drive considering when you boot a drive its in the purpose of booting an os off of that drive. once you do that your bios shouldnt even look to the pata drive for an os to load to memory. __________________ Intel Pentium 820D@3.3ghz 1 gig of corsair xms pro@470mhz 100gig sata150 maxtor liteon dvd/cdr combo Nvidia AGP 6800gs 3dmark 03 - 13,931 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4943281 "Little Girl Little Girl You Should Close Your Eyes That Glue Is Getting Me High" - Marilyn Manson Heart Shaped Glasses.

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Sum_12_fear Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 529	I would suggest putting the PATA drive on a seperate cable anyway cause its gonna slow down running with the DVD-RW drive. I would also just take the PATA totally out of the boot sequence not just behind the SATA. __________________ "In a perfect world there are no fences or walls therefore no need for Gates and Windows"

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