Hello all

I have a question about ntldr. I recviced that message and to restart when I formated my harddrive and wanted to install windows. I have a 80g Sata Drive and an asus p4c800-e deluxe mobo. I heard that you have to install something on the mobo I think cuase I had this problem before. any help would be great.

dadio202

the NTLDR (NT LOADER) is a critical system file that is required by NT based operating systems to boot up properly, it is also one of the first things loaded into memory and one of the easiest files to damage due to an unstable overclock.....

if you are overclocking, try taking it easier on your ram, or lower the overclock in general, if you are NOT overclocking, then this sounds suspicously like bad ram (RMA TIME), a bad hard drive, or a bad haircut...

if it was ntldr is missing its just cuz u dont have an os installed..

Quote: Originally Posted by Dr3w if it was ntldr is missing its just cuz u dont have an os installed..

you need a boot loader to be installed before the error message can be generated, and boot loaders dont appear out of thin air....and the NTLDR message is generated by the NT boot loader...

alright so his problem is that he has an os installed but ntldr is popping up ? cuz i dont understand his problem to the fullest ?

Quote: Originally Posted by Dr3w if it was ntldr is missing its just cuz u dont have an os installed..

NTLDR will not show up if its a blank hdd. it will simply say No Operating System Found.

What you can do sometimes is do some of the following:

bootcfg /rebuild
fixboot
fixmbr

Use the bootcfg first, and see what you get. That first command rebuild the boot.ini file. and the second tries to repair and the third repairs to the boot sector.

so he has an os installed then ?... if so then pop in your xp cd go into the repair screen and type fixmbr

Quote: Originally Posted by Dr3w alright so his problem is that he has an os installed but ntldr is popping up ? cuz i dont understand his problem to the fullest ?

in order for NTLDR missing to pop up, some part of the operating system HAS to be running in order to generate that error message, what were trying to say is that the BIOS does not generate this error, and neither does a blank hard drive, like the post above me said, if the hdd doesent have an os, then it will say "no operating system found"...

you learn something every day

fu3 its ok i understood u.. i didnt understand his question..

Quote: Originally Posted by Zer0s NTLDR will not show up if its a blank hdd. it will simply say No Operating System Found. What you can do sometimes is do some of the following: bootcfg /rebuild fixboot fixmbr Use the bootcfg first, and see what you get. That first command rebuild the boot.ini file. and the second tries to repair and the third repairs to the boot sector.

i could be wrong about this, but i dont think i am, as im sure i have run into at least 3 or 4 issues with NTLDR and none of the above helped...

bootcfg /rebuild i dont think think will recreate the ntldr.sys file
fixboot rewrites the bootloader information to point to the correct paths and configs
fixmbr rewrites the master boot record of the hdd, useful if the drive was used for a linux install or for an xbox and you are having trouble using it without enabling LBA mode exclusively, for that, you need to enable LBA, fixmbr, then use standard addressing, but that has nothing to do with the problem...

your best bet is to do a windows reinstall using a different folder (Windows2), and using this install to troubleshoot why the same issue keeps reoccurring(sp?)...once you are finished troubleshooting, edit the boot.ini file, eliminate the windows2 entry, and then do a windows repair and everything should be hunkie dorie....

EDIT: Zer0s is burrrned, lol
EDIT: i didnt mean to be condescenting Dr3w

its ok fu3 i did learn something .. bbut anyways fixmbr always fixed my ntldr is missing problem.

its possible, im going from memory (reason for the disclaimer), its never worked for me personally, but i didnt want to completely dismiss it either, its definately worth a shot...

Quote: Originally Posted by Fu3lman i could be wrong about this, but i dont think i am, as im sure i have run into at least 3 or 4 issues with NTLDR and none of the above helped... bootcfg /rebuild i dont think think will recreate the ntldr.sys file fixboot rewrites the bootloader information to point to the correct paths and configs fixmbr rewrites the master boot record of the hdd, useful if the drive was used for a linux install or for an xbox and you are having trouble using it without enabling LBA mode exclusively, for that, you need to enable LBA, fixmbr, then use standard addressing, but that has nothing to do with the problem... your best bet is to do a windows reinstall using a different folder (Windows2), and using this install to troubleshoot why the same issue keeps reoccurring(sp?)...once you are finished troubleshooting, edit the boot.ini file, eliminate the windows2 entry, and then do a windows repair and everything should be hunkie dorie.... EDIT: Zer0s is burrrned, lol EDIT: i didnt mean to be condescenting Dr3w

the best solution is the fixboot command where ti adds a string in the boot.ini file to where it gives you another option to boot into windows. that will only work if its truly just a corrupt boot.ini file.

ive had this happen on alot of system. it is always usually because of a failing hard drive. or in the case of my systems, i ****ed with the boot.ini and its fubared now.

ive had mixed results with it. 50/50. if it works great, if it does not. ohh well. it does not hurt to try it. but like i said earlier, with the ntldr missing or corrupt. its usually only a couple things, one the hard drive has errors on it, two you screwed with the file, three a virus worm trojan screwed with the file. in any case, trying the commands may or may not work. and in that case, best solution to do is what fu3l said.

EDIT: Fu3l is lame and sucks.
EDIT: I do mean to sound condescending.

no but fu3 what u said is true everytime i formated my linux partion.. it would tkae the boot loader with it.. so my other harddrive with xp wouldnt boot nad it would just say ntldr is missing so i would just type fixmbr and it would work fine again.. it would retell the mbr to boot xp instead of the boot loader.. so i tihnk it should fix his problem

like i said try it. it does not hurt. if it works great. if not do what fu3l said.

BTW: fu3l still sucks, literally.....he made a website about it

Quote: Originally Posted by Zer0s with the ntldr missing or corrupt. its usually only a couple things, one the hard drive has errors on it, two you screwed with the file, three a virus worm trojan screwed with the file. in any case, trying the commands may or may not work. and in that case, best solution to do is what fu3l said. EDIT: Fu3l is the man. EDIT: I wet the bed.

you forgot the third reason, you let Zer0s borrow your system....

I do not have an OS installed. It showed up after i reformated the drive but im thinking it didnt clean it all so I went into dos on restart and the FORMAT :C prompt. So im going to try again to if that works.

Quote: Originally Posted by dadio202 I do not have an OS installed. It showed up after i reformated the drive but im thinking it didnt clean it all so I went into dos on restart and the FORMAT :C prompt. So im going to try again to if that works.

if you are going into a dos prompt....at all....without using a boot disk, then you can pretty much assume whatever "format" you didn was unsuccessful...

This didnt work. Is it because I have to format it to nfts format to do it. RIght now I still get the same error. does that mean the os is still on there?

Quote: Originally Posted by dadio202 This didnt work. Is it because I have to format it to nfts format to do it. RIght now I still get the same error. does that mean the os is still on there?

yes, something is still there....

what you need to do is this, insert the windows xp cd, and let it boot from the cd...
once it loads its drivers, in the list of drives, you need to DELETE ANY AND ALL PARTITIONS AVAILABLE!!!...

when you are done doing that, all you should have is 1 drive, with the total size of your drive, called "Unpartitioned Space"...

that is what you want to format (not a quick format either), and yeh, you want to use the NTFS file system...

that should do it, if this doesent work then you are doing something wrong...