ASUS gf4 ti4200 128mb VS. Gainward gf4 ti 4200 128mb ultra 650 TV

wolfareno · 13-February-03, 12:37 AM

cant decide.... the asus is on sale now at newegg for $150, and the gainward runs $153 all the time....which one do i get? heres my specs
athlon XP 1700+
384mb pc-2100
ECS K7S5A

Thanks!

BigAkita · 13-February-03, 12:41 AM

I have the Gainward card and it works quite well, but there has been a lot of controversy over leaking capacitors on them. I guess the RMA rate has been very high on these cards.

I think at the moment given the Gainward controversy, I would say go with the Asus card. It won't OC as high, but it will still work.

Cyphre · 13-February-03, 01:13 AM

I've got the gainward, though the bottom line gainward (64mb and no TV in/out or DVI) and it's worked quite well. Where'd you read on leaking caps, BA? I hadn't heard anything bad about these cards ever. Personally, I'd stick with gainward since ASUS didn't seem to offer anything good in terms of speed and the like.

TheOutcast · 13-February-03, 01:17 AM

Cyphre, it was all over that one [H] site, and all over the user reviews on newegg. Any refrence to a pink checkerboard is what he's talking about.

Maverick · 13-February-03, 01:27 AM

Well Im not sure about the newer cards but my buddy had a Geforce 2 ultra made by Asus and it rocked. That thing would blow away Ti500 in almost anything. But like I said I really havent heard much about its cards since then.

Pure frames per second. He could pull 90 frames in UT with 8 bots on the screen while playing and in the fly by before hed get close to 130. The only thing that card couldnt do was vertex and pixel shaders and the all that stuff thats on todays cards. It wasnt overclocked or anything that we knew of.

Buzz_4_20 · 13-February-03, 01:32 AM

I'd go for the gainward, i have a gf3ti200 128mb Golden sample and it's been nothing but good to me, OCs to 235/485 - Stock 175/400, good company, but i'd check newegg's reviews to see if a lot of people had to rma thier cards....

EDIT:
just my two cent's but personally for a mid range card i'd buy the 9500 pro....

Gladiator · 13-February-03, 02:03 AM

I have a geforce 2 ultra by visiontek and I can get the same fps as a Geforce 3 based card or ATI 7500 +

TheOutcast · 13-February-03, 02:03 AM

My thoughts exactly buzz, and that's what I'm running... no complaints. Just praise.

Darksamurai · 13-February-03, 02:50 AM

I'm running that exact card... I haven't had a days problem with it... I'm still tweaking though... first 3Dmark score was only 8600. Still, I've redone my drivers, and done some tweaking...

Does anyone know if StyleXP effects your scores?

ADD: I guess I should mention it's the Gainward 650 8X AGP Golden Sample 128 w/ VIVO

cpufreak · 13-February-03, 03:33 AM

yeah Dark I would take it all the way down to classic windows style and remove all the shadows and stuff like that it should improve a little

Darksamurai · 13-February-03, 03:41 AM

Yeah, I reduced my performance settings to pretty much "XP buttons" and some of the scroll animations... past that, it's been stripped down.

BigAkita · 13-February-03, 07:36 AM

I've had 3 Gainward cards now, but here are a couple of examples of what I was talking about:

AMDMB

NVNEWS

FUTUREMARK

These are just a couple examples of the problems people are having with the Gainward cards.

baldwooky · 13-February-03, 02:55 PM

The problem with the bad gainwards was because of a faulty set of capacitors or ram or one of the other that was made in taiwan. My pops had a gainward 4200 when they came out and I had to RMA it 3x to get one that wasn't bad. I would assume that any gainward you can buy now would be safe from the ones that had bad componets.

My opinion would be to buy the card with the fastest ram on it, youll be able to hit higher speeds then. (lower the nanosec the better)

Evileagle · 15-February-03, 04:09 AM

I would definately get the gainward for the price plus they typically use lower nanosecond ram too which OC's better. Most ti4200's use 4 or 3.6 nanosecond ram, gainward makes cards that use both of those, 3.5 and 3.3 as far as I know.

3.3 ns version

3.5 ns version

3.6 ns version

4 ns version

piscikeeper · 15-February-03, 05:38 AM

gainward 650 tv score
this is the 64 meg version clocked at 311/621.still working on the o/c.

13-February-03, 12:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
wolfareno Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wherever Uncle Sam sends me - currently New Mexico Posts: 132	ASUS gf4 ti4200 128mb VS. Gainward gf4 ti 4200 128mb ultra 650 TV cant decide.... the asus is on sale now at newegg for $150, and the gainward runs $153 all the time....which one do i get? heres my specs athlon XP 1700+ 384mb pc-2100 ECS K7S5A Thanks!

13-February-03, 12:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
BigAkita n00b-ass reviewer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nirvana Posts: 14,344	I have the Gainward card and it works quite well, but there has been a lot of controversy over leaking capacitors on them. I guess the RMA rate has been very high on these cards. I think at the moment given the Gainward controversy, I would say go with the Asus card. It won't OC as high, but it will still work. __________________ "I'll stop being an A-Hole if you will stop being an Idiot."

13-February-03, 01:13 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cyphre Apex Tech Maniac Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 902	I've got the gainward, though the bottom line gainward (64mb and no TV in/out or DVI) and it's worked quite well. Where'd you read on leaking caps, BA? I hadn't heard anything bad about these cards ever. Personally, I'd stick with gainward since ASUS didn't seem to offer anything good in terms of speed and the like. __________________ P4C800-E Deluxe, 3.0C, 1gb XMS PC3200 TwinX, 150gb WD Raptor SATA, 7800GS New hotness: P5Q Pro, E8500, 4gb Corsair PC2 6400 DDR2, 9800GTX, Seagate 250Gb SATA2 cipher 2. One who, or that which, has no weight or influence. "Here he was a mere cipher." --W. Irving. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, Â© 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc

13-February-03, 01:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
TheOutcast Minnes-hoe-tan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Moorhead, Minnes-Hoe-ta Posts: 2,803	Cyphre, it was all over that one [H] site, and all over the user reviews on newegg. Any refrence to a pink checkerboard is what he's talking about. __________________

13-February-03, 01:32 AM	#6 (permalink)
Buzz_4_20 Apex Elite Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Presque Isle, ME - go ahead look it up... Posts: 1,209	I'd go for the gainward, i have a gf3ti200 128mb Golden sample and it's been nothing but good to me, OCs to 235/485 - Stock 175/400, good company, but i'd check newegg's reviews to see if a lot of people had to rma thier cards.... EDIT: just my two cent's but personally for a mid range card i'd buy the 9500 pro.... __________________

13-February-03, 01:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
Maverick Apex Elite Expert Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253	Well Im not sure about the newer cards but my buddy had a Geforce 2 ultra made by Asus and it rocked. That thing would blow away Ti500 in almost anything. But like I said I really havent heard much about its cards since then. Pure frames per second. He could pull 90 frames in UT with 8 bots on the screen while playing and in the fly by before hed get close to 130. The only thing that card couldnt do was vertex and pixel shaders and the all that stuff thats on todays cards. It wasnt overclocked or anything that we knew of.

13-February-03, 02:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Gladiator Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 529	I have a geforce 2 ultra by visiontek and I can get the same fps as a Geforce 3 based card or ATI 7500 +

13-February-03, 02:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
TheOutcast Minnes-hoe-tan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Moorhead, Minnes-Hoe-ta Posts: 2,803	My thoughts exactly buzz, and that's what I'm running... no complaints. Just praise. __________________

13-February-03, 02:50 AM	#9 (permalink)
Darksamurai Sam-Hoe-rai N-Hoe-mad Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Helena, MT Posts: 5,980	I'm running that exact card... I haven't had a days problem with it... I'm still tweaking though... first 3Dmark score was only 8600. Still, I've redone my drivers, and done some tweaking... Does anyone know if StyleXP effects your scores? ADD: I guess I should mention it's the Gainward 650 8X AGP Golden Sample 128 w/ VIVO __________________ “A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving.” - Lao Tzu

13-February-03, 03:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
cpufreak Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Washington, PA Posts: 173	yeah Dark I would take it all the way down to classic windows style and remove all the shadows and stuff like that it should improve a little __________________ I guess we were all guilty, in a way. We all shot him, we all skinned him, and we all got a complimentary bumper sticker that said, "I helped skin Bob." - Jack Handey

13-February-03, 03:41 AM	#11 (permalink)
Darksamurai Sam-Hoe-rai N-Hoe-mad Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Helena, MT Posts: 5,980	Yeah, I reduced my performance settings to pretty much "XP buttons" and some of the scroll animations... past that, it's been stripped down. __________________ “A good traveler has no fixed plans and is not intent on arriving.” - Lao Tzu

13-February-03, 07:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
BigAkita n00b-ass reviewer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Nirvana Posts: 14,344	I've had 3 Gainward cards now, but here are a couple of examples of what I was talking about: AMDMB NVNEWS FUTUREMARK These are just a couple examples of the problems people are having with the Gainward cards. __________________ "I'll stop being an A-Hole if you will stop being an Idiot."

13-February-03, 02:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
baldwooky Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cleveland OH Posts: 264	The problem with the bad gainwards was because of a faulty set of capacitors or ram or one of the other that was made in taiwan. My pops had a gainward 4200 when they came out and I had to RMA it 3x to get one that wasn't bad. I would assume that any gainward you can buy now would be safe from the ones that had bad componets. My opinion would be to buy the card with the fastest ram on it, youll be able to hit higher speeds then. (lower the nanosec the better) __________________ Put all your high 3dmark scores up and compare, so I can own you with my sorry gf2 GTS and tell you how much you wasted on a PC.

15-February-03, 04:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
Evileagle Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 262	I would definately get the gainward for the price plus they typically use lower nanosecond ram too which OC's better. Most ti4200's use 4 or 3.6 nanosecond ram, gainward makes cards that use both of those, 3.5 and 3.3 as far as I know. 3.3 ns version 3.5 ns version 3.6 ns version 4 ns version Last edited by Evileagle; 15-February-03 at 04:21 AM.

15-February-03, 05:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
piscikeeper Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: indiana Posts: 661	gainward 650 tv score this is the 64 meg version clocked at 311/621.still working on the o/c. __________________

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