Geforce 5800 ultra no more... :(

Gamma_Goblin · 08-February-03, 04:17 AM

here at Hard OCP

in the news, they announced that the 5800 ultra has been canceled.

OH CRUEL FATE, WHY DO YOU MOCK ME??!!!! i was just about to preorder it. i crap. i just got enought moeny for it too!!

does anyone know why it was cancelled!? all it does is give the radeon 9700 a greater lead when they release the R3500

does nvidia intentionally cancel this card just to sabotage my ultimate rig that i'm building? probably not, but that is a side effect.

brandon

FUBAR · 08-February-03, 04:29 AM

It sounds like a failure on NVIDIA's part (theres a first time for everything). Most likely the fact that the card is WAY EXPENSIVE to produce. Maybe tech issues. Besides, the ultra wasn't that much faster then the R300. I'm sure we will find out soon enough.

Gamma_Goblin · 08-February-03, 04:42 AM

yargh i don care if it was much faster but it was FASTER! o well, i'll just wait for the r350.... :-( but that is definitely not cool on nvidia's part.

it may be way expensive, but im sure that there are plenty of losers like me who were saving their hard earned dollars and cents to buy a 5800 ultra for 400 buxxors. not only because of the performance advantage, but for the bragging rites.

yea, well im dissappointed in Nvidia making such a bad choice. hah, if they would have seen how ATI woulda whooped 'em, i wouldnt be suprised if they scrapped it and went straight to the nv34 or other chips.

brandon

scapegoat · 08-February-03, 05:40 AM

They are still preselling them at best buy (ass of this afternoon) maybe you can go down there and nab one before they pull them off the shelves

biohazardpc · 08-February-03, 06:07 AM

yeah they are shipping 100,000 of the cards before they pull them off the market. So get them while you can.

baldwooky · 08-February-03, 01:14 PM

If u were gonna buy a video card for bragging rights, you need to get laid.

The_Lost_Monkey · 08-February-03, 01:45 PM

maybe someone had a brain snap started talking in tounges and now they kn0ow that if the do two or three little mods to it it will kik the r350 so they decided that it would be good to do this

Lokie · 08-February-03, 02:02 PM

Hey bio why only 100,000. If you have #'s you must have more info on this issue

Gamma_Goblin · 08-February-03, 10:39 PM

hey wookie who says i havent?

ahh ty for the info. but if they are gonna release 100k of em, i'll wait to see how good the r350 is b4 i shell out my money for the ultra

brandon

biohazardpc · 10-February-03, 10:01 AM

Sorry about the late post on the 100,000 This is to cover the all the presold ones at best buy and compUSa and a few other companies. They will stilll make the 5800 rag cards but they are not due out for a little bit. I got these from a couple of different sorces.All I know is I am going uesday and puting one on preorder so I can get one. I just think they look awsome. Who cares about the noise.And all i care about is that it beats what I have now which is a ti 4200. I am not a big fan of ATI thats why i am sticking with the fx card. And in another 6 months to a year i will get a nother card. I am going to call a couple more companies tomorrow to confirm whether or not they are going to market the card and if so how many. Pny will have a 5800 clocked at 400/800mhz and bfg will have one clocked at 500/1000mhz. I will call Teretac and try to get a hold of Gainward to see if they are still going to release them.

lcpiper · 10-February-03, 10:27 AM

I would be worried about driver support for it guys. Without drivers, it's a hunk of silicon.

biohazardpc · 10-February-03, 10:49 AM

That is quite true Ice. With the drivers it has right now it still smokes my ti4200. I am sure they are goign to finidh the drivers due to the fact that they are selling so many and I am sure the drivers for the nv31 and nv35 will work fine for it. But if you do not have the money to take a chance I would say stay clear of it. If you feel daring then go for it.

Maverick · 10-February-03, 12:35 PM

Hey bio the last I heard Gainward was still going to make there card. And it was supposed to be only 7db loud. I know you said that noise isnt an issue but I think it would be cool to have something quieter than a whisper. hehehe. That one would be worth looking into.

baldwooky · 10-February-03, 12:51 PM

Heya goblin, i was just joking.

Anyways, I don't see what all the hubbub is about the FX cards, the earliest benchmarks show that even the Radeon 9700 is faster than the 5800 and 5800 ultra.

Memory bandwidth is where its at. Doesn't matter about your processors, ram, video card, etc, all of it has to go through the ram one time or anyother.

Maverick · 10-February-03, 01:11 PM

All I have to say is beta card and beta drivers. The first generation of any product is going to be worse then what comes after it. Take the Willimate P4 core and the Palmino XP core. Or even the A T-Bred core. They were all replaced by a better succesor. Dont take me wrong. Im not saying this is the final card that everyone is testing. Im saying it just a test card. Nvidia may be dumb at times but to release a card they know can not totally out preform it compitition in every catagory even by the slimest margin. My bet is that when the final shipping version is released with the drivers this card will blow by the 9700pro. Yeah I know the 9900 pro is only a month down the road but by summer the next nvida cards will be out supposedly. This was just there stepping stone to .13 micron fab. If you look ATI hasnt even gotten there yet. and if you also noticed the 9900 is hitting the core limit on speed. 400 mhz seems to be about where its going to stop without outragous cooling not unlike the FX.

Well thats about it for my rant of the day. Thank you for your time...lmao!

EDIT: This is not meant to be hostile to any extend. Just stating how I feel on the subject and what I think will happen from what Ive read so far.

biohazardpc · 10-February-03, 02:00 PM

all the benches i have seen put the 5800 above the 9700pro in most tests even if it is only by a small margin except for ut2k3. Where did you see the reviews that put the 9700 above the 5800? Just currious I would actually like to see them.

Maverick · 10-February-03, 02:07 PM

It was either in Max PC or when i was just wondering the net. The test the 9700 pro excelled in were with all the AA and AF enabled. That and UT2K3 were the only test that I saw it beat the FX card. Sorry for not stating that in my rant....lol

Gladiator · 10-February-03, 02:34 PM

Maximum PC had the FX above the 9700 in all tests. You just went to some crappy review site. No offence.

Maverick · 10-February-03, 02:37 PM

Are you sure? I dont have my copy of MaxPc in front of me so i cant confirm. I could have sworn the 9700 pro beat it in a couple tests.

EDIT: I just looked at the site and saw that out of the 3 test the 9700 pro beat the FX in game 4 of 3dmark. I knew it beat it somewhere. lol....even if it was only 4 frames a sec faster.

neotheducky · 10-February-03, 02:49 PM

i just looked in my paper copy of maximum pc and yes, it does show that the radeon 9700 did beat the fx in the 3dmark game 4 test. what the heck were you looking at gladiator

neotheducky

08-February-03, 04:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
Gamma_Goblin Senor Cisner-Hoes Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,013	Geforce 5800 ultra no more... :( here at Hard OCP in the news, they announced that the 5800 ultra has been canceled. OH CRUEL FATE, WHY DO YOU MOCK ME??!!!! i was just about to preorder it. i crap. i just got enought moeny for it too!! does anyone know why it was cancelled!? all it does is give the radeon 9700 a greater lead when they release the R3500 does nvidia intentionally cancel this card just to sabotage my ultimate rig that i'm building? probably not, but that is a side effect. brandon

08-February-03, 04:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
Gamma_Goblin Senor Cisner-Hoes Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,013	yargh i don care if it was much faster but it was FASTER! o well, i'll just wait for the r350.... :-( but that is definitely not cool on nvidia's part. it may be way expensive, but im sure that there are plenty of losers like me who were saving their hard earned dollars and cents to buy a 5800 ultra for 400 buxxors. not only because of the performance advantage, but for the bragging rites. yea, well im dissappointed in Nvidia making such a bad choice. hah, if they would have seen how ATI woulda whooped 'em, i wouldnt be suprised if they scrapped it and went straight to the nv34 or other chips. brandon __________________

08-February-03, 06:07 AM	#5 (permalink)
biohazardpc H.A.L.O.-Hoe Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,617	yeah they are shipping 100,000 of the cards before they pull them off the market. So get them while you can. __________________ When all else fails beat it with a hammer. One shot One kill, why waste ammo.

08-February-03, 01:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
baldwooky Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cleveland OH Posts: 264	If u were gonna buy a video card for bragging rights, you need to get laid. __________________ Put all your high 3dmark scores up and compare, so I can own you with my sorry gf2 GTS and tell you how much you wasted on a PC.

08-February-03, 01:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
The_Lost_Monkey Hoe - Rangatang Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Land Of Sky Blue Waters Posts: 1,277	maybe someone had a brain snap started talking in tounges and now they kn0ow that if the do two or three little mods to it it will kik the r350 so they decided that it would be good to do this __________________ *night folks it was fun while it lasted but the darn site got so big so fast that i find my self going into convulsions everytime i try to read it or catch up on anything ill miss some of you bye*

08-February-03, 04:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
FUBAR Hardware Nymph-Hoe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New York Posts: 514	It sounds like a failure on NVIDIA's part (theres a first time for everything). Most likely the fact that the card is WAY EXPENSIVE to produce. Maybe tech issues. Besides, the ultra wasn't that much faster then the R300. I'm sure we will find out soon enough.

08-February-03, 05:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
scapegoat Apex Tech God Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,520	They are still preselling them at best buy (ass of this afternoon) maybe you can go down there and nab one before they pull them off the shelves

08-February-03, 02:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Lokie Custom What? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Eau Claire,WI Posts: 6,849	Hey bio why only 100,000. If you have #'s you must have more info on this issue

08-February-03, 10:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gamma_Goblin Senor Cisner-Hoes Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,013	hey wookie who says i havent? ahh ty for the info. but if they are gonna release 100k of em, i'll wait to see how good the r350 is b4 i shell out my money for the ultra brandon __________________

10-February-03, 10:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
biohazardpc H.A.L.O.-Hoe Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,617	Sorry about the late post on the 100,000 This is to cover the all the presold ones at best buy and compUSa and a few other companies. They will stilll make the 5800 rag cards but they are not due out for a little bit. I got these from a couple of different sorces.All I know is I am going uesday and puting one on preorder so I can get one. I just think they look awsome. Who cares about the noise.And all i care about is that it beats what I have now which is a ti 4200. I am not a big fan of ATI thats why i am sticking with the fx card. And in another 6 months to a year i will get a nother card. I am going to call a couple more companies tomorrow to confirm whether or not they are going to market the card and if so how many. Pny will have a 5800 clocked at 400/800mhz and bfg will have one clocked at 500/1000mhz. I will call Teretac and try to get a hold of Gainward to see if they are still going to release them. __________________ When all else fails beat it with a hammer. One shot One kill, why waste ammo.

10-February-03, 10:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
lcpiper H2-Hoe Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sierra Vista, AZ. Posts: 3,339	I would be worried about driver support for it guys. Without drivers, it's a hunk of silicon. __________________ Life is hard. It's harder if your stupid ! Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. Give'em a little more and they'll hang us all !

10-February-03, 10:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
biohazardpc H.A.L.O.-Hoe Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,617	That is quite true Ice. With the drivers it has right now it still smokes my ti4200. I am sure they are goign to finidh the drivers due to the fact that they are selling so many and I am sure the drivers for the nv31 and nv35 will work fine for it. But if you do not have the money to take a chance I would say stay clear of it. If you feel daring then go for it. __________________ When all else fails beat it with a hammer. One shot One kill, why waste ammo.

10-February-03, 12:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
Maverick Apex Elite Expert Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253	Hey bio the last I heard Gainward was still going to make there card. And it was supposed to be only 7db loud. I know you said that noise isnt an issue but I think it would be cool to have something quieter than a whisper. hehehe. That one would be worth looking into.

10-February-03, 12:51 PM	#14 (permalink)
baldwooky Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Cleveland OH Posts: 264	Heya goblin, i was just joking. Anyways, I don't see what all the hubbub is about the FX cards, the earliest benchmarks show that even the Radeon 9700 is faster than the 5800 and 5800 ultra. Memory bandwidth is where its at. Doesn't matter about your processors, ram, video card, etc, all of it has to go through the ram one time or anyother. __________________ Put all your high 3dmark scores up and compare, so I can own you with my sorry gf2 GTS and tell you how much you wasted on a PC.

10-February-03, 01:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Maverick Apex Elite Expert Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253	All I have to say is beta card and beta drivers. The first generation of any product is going to be worse then what comes after it. Take the Willimate P4 core and the Palmino XP core. Or even the A T-Bred core. They were all replaced by a better succesor. Dont take me wrong. Im not saying this is the final card that everyone is testing. Im saying it just a test card. Nvidia may be dumb at times but to release a card they know can not totally out preform it compitition in every catagory even by the slimest margin. My bet is that when the final shipping version is released with the drivers this card will blow by the 9700pro. Yeah I know the 9900 pro is only a month down the road but by summer the next nvida cards will be out supposedly. This was just there stepping stone to .13 micron fab. If you look ATI hasnt even gotten there yet. and if you also noticed the 9900 is hitting the core limit on speed. 400 mhz seems to be about where its going to stop without outragous cooling not unlike the FX. Well thats about it for my rant of the day. Thank you for your time...lmao! EDIT: This is not meant to be hostile to any extend. Just stating how I feel on the subject and what I think will happen from what Ive read so far. Last edited by Maverick; 10-February-03 at 01:18 PM.

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10-February-03, 02:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
biohazardpc H.A.L.O.-Hoe Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,617	all the benches i have seen put the 5800 above the 9700pro in most tests even if it is only by a small margin except for ut2k3. Where did you see the reviews that put the 9700 above the 5800? Just currious I would actually like to see them. __________________ When all else fails beat it with a hammer. One shot One kill, why waste ammo.

10-February-03, 02:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
Maverick Apex Elite Expert Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253	It was either in Max PC or when i was just wondering the net. The test the 9700 pro excelled in were with all the AA and AF enabled. That and UT2K3 were the only test that I saw it beat the FX card. Sorry for not stating that in my rant....lol

10-February-03, 02:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
Gladiator Apex Tech Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 529	Maximum PC had the FX above the 9700 in all tests. You just went to some crappy review site. No offence.

10-February-03, 02:37 PM	#19 (permalink)
Maverick Apex Elite Expert Tech Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,253	Are you sure? I dont have my copy of MaxPc in front of me so i cant confirm. I could have sworn the 9700 pro beat it in a couple tests. EDIT: I just looked at the site and saw that out of the 3 test the 9700 pro beat the FX in game 4 of 3dmark. I knew it beat it somewhere. lol....even if it was only 4 frames a sec faster. Last edited by Maverick; 10-February-03 at 02:43 PM.

10-February-03, 02:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
neotheducky Rubber Duck-Hoe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,557	i just looked in my paper copy of maximum pc and yes, it does show that the radeon 9700 did beat the fx in the 3dmark game 4 test. what the heck were you looking at gladiator neotheducky

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