AMD Daddy

Whenever I try to record any movie from my VCR (ones that I personally recorded) to my PC I get an error message in my ATi multimedia center aswell as windows movie maker that says "this broadcast signal is protected from being recorded and can only be viewed. Recording will be terminated." What can i do so that i can record from my VCR to my computer with my Radeon 9600PRO AIW.

Caspertg

What you ask is not legal.

Circumventing any copyright protection is technically illiegal.

For the sake of liability this thread should be locked.

I am not flaming you though bro, I am all about fair use and I think the current laws hurt the people that abide by them more than the pirates. I will do some research and hit you with a P.M.


Edit: Further research says that disabling macrovision (the copyright protection used on vhs) is not illiegal because the protection degrades the quality. However I have not confrimed this. Here is the link, feel free to delete it.

http://www.digitalfaq.com/capture/atimpeg/atimpeg.htm

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AMD Daddy

I would like to repeat myself. I recorded these video's myself from television aswell as old vacation videos from Florida in 1998 and now have just got the time to do something with them, so I highly doubt its illegal for me to do this, but thanks for your help anyways.

Quote: Originally Posted by Caspertg What you ask is not legal. Circumventing any copyright protection is technically illiegal. For the sake of liability this thread should be locked. I am not flaming you though bro, I am all about fair use and I think the current laws hurt the people that abide by them more than the pirates. I will do some research and hit you with a P.M. Edit: Further research says that disabling macrovision (the copyright protection used on vhs) is not illiegal because the protection degrades the quality. However I have not confrimed this. Here is the link, feel free to delete it. http://www.digitalfaq.com/capture/atimpeg/atimpeg.htm

YohanSpritz

Could this be the dreaded "broadcast flag"?

Is ATi ponying up before the April 2005 deadline? I was hoping they'd wait until the last minute.

AMD Daddy

What do you mean by that? Is there something I'm missing about ATi doing something?

Sum_12_fear

Ahh the dreaded Broadcast Flag. Designed by politicians to make the MPAA feel safe when all it really does is annoy if not infuriate the average user and will take no time for any serious pirate to circumvent. Alas the circumvention techniques used are illegal under the DMCA as is any cirmuvention of copyright protection no matter how inane it may be. ATI must have finally put it into their drivers. Using older drivers i would imagine you would be allowed to do this but i dont know how old they will have to be and im not even positive it would work. But thats the only legal method i see around it.

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YohanSpritz

Quote: Originally Posted by AMD Daddy What do you mean by that? Is there something I'm missing about ATi doing something?

We can only hope its not this.

The "Broadcast Flag" is something new that will be mandatory starting April 2005. Any recording device sold after April 2005 MUST be able to recognize the broadcast flag and will refuse to record any television show that carries it. Devices which do not recognize the broadcast flag (probably everything you currently own) will still be able to record said shows without problems.

The broadcast flag is carried along with the television show in a simmilar fashion to how TV Ratings are transmitted for the V-Chip. Whether or not a show or a channel uses the broadcast flag is at the complete discretion of the show producer, studio execs, the guys that run everything. I've heard a lot of people saying that they'll only include the flag with live sports games but in actuality there's no restrictions on what can and cannot have a broadcast flag. If worse comes to worse the only thing you can use a TiVO purchased after April 2005 for is PBS and PAX.

Its "possible" that a VCR can record the broadcast flag and prevent copies being made using newer devices, while ignoring it itself but I'm not sure about that.

Cyno01

Quote: Originally Posted by Caspertg What you ask is not legal. Circumventing any copyright protection is technically illiegal. For the sake of liability this thread should be locked. I am not flaming you though bro, I am all about fair use and I think the current laws hurt the people that abide by them more than the pirates. I will do some research and hit you with a P.M. Edit: Further research says that disabling macrovision (the copyright protection used on vhs) is not illiegal because the protection degrades the quality. However I have not confrimed this. Here is the link, feel free to delete it. http://www.digitalfaq.com/capture/atimpeg/atimpeg.htm

Your being paranoid, nobody here cares that much about this stuff. BA himself even posted a thread about copying DVDs. AIW cards purpose are to digitize analog inputs from a tuner or vcr or whatever else, they wouldn't sell them if their only purpose was illegal.

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AMD Daddy

None of those things to disable macrovision worked. Aghhhh!

AMD Daddy

Seems to work on some of my video's but not all of them. Seems to work on ones I recorded directly from camcorder to VHS, but doesn't work from the old skool VHS camcorder VHS's I have.

carbongraphite

in order to remove macrovision you need a little black box which can be built from a kit or bought from someplace like best buy but is then overpriced. its usually a videostabalizer or sync corrector. or if you look for the kit its just a copy protection macrovision remover which fills in the missing sync pulse. its not illegal unless you pirate stuff.
here is what a kit version looks like when built.

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Caspertg

Quote: Originally Posted by Cyno01 Your being paranoid, nobody here cares that much about this stuff. BA himself even posted a thread about copying DVDs. AIW cards purpose are to digitize analog inputs from a tuner or vcr or whatever else, they wouldn't sell them if their only purpose was illegal.

Just following the rules bro and pointing it out to the powers that be.

The law is clear, it is not legal to circumvent copyright protection. I made an edit that after some research it "may" be legal to remove macrovision because it degrades quality. From his initial post I assumed he was copying commercial VHS tapes to DVD.

Its a screwed up deal though and there is a lot of grey area. Fair use says you can make a backup for personal use, but the DMCA says you can't use the tools to make that backup.

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bpoelstra

I have the latest v6.14.10.6300 (NSP) and v6.14.10.6246 (SP) hacked drivers to bypass the macrovision detection. These WILL enable capturing of macrovision protected analog sources.

Email me at bpoelstra@comcast.net

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Cpt.Planet

Hey you know on the AIW cards how it has the S video and the analog input. Try using those instead of using the tuner part.

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bpoelstra

Quote: Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet Hey you know on the AIW cards how it has the S video and the analog input. Try using those instead of using the tuner part.

All input to the AIW is analog. Anytime macrovision is detected it disables viewing and recording.

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