X800 Pro or 6800GT? - Page 2

gorked · 18-December-04, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by beachbum86


	im just wondering if the 6800 can be flashed to the gt or not.

Some can. Not all though.

And since you bumped the thread, I would recommend the X800 XL when it becomes available (in like a few weeks). 6800GT performance for $299.

SPECIALBLEND218 · 18-December-04, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Fu3lman


	sweet, and its around the same price as the x800 pro as well, think ill be goin with the 6800GT, as i have decided that i will, in fact, upgrade.... since i am hitting a plateau with my current graphics card, i guess its about time anyway, games are only going to get more demanding, and i think the trusty 9700 pro has served its purpose and served it well, in fact, it will be given to a good friend of mine who needs it for newer games....as there really isnt anything wrong with it, just that i personally demand faster.... while im on the subject of upgrading, my current system is an Abit NF7-S 2.0, 768 MB pc 3200 CAS=2 DDR / barton 2500 @ 2.2ghz all at 400mhz fsb, audigy gamer, dual layer dvdrw, 16x dvd rom, enlight 420 watt psu, 20 gig 7200 rpm ata 100 hdd, 80 gig 7200 rpm ata 100 hdd, volcano 7+ hsf if this were your system, would the 6800 GT be on your list for an upgrade?

Just thought i would let ya know that my PNY 6800 is a great card for the price I got. But it's so freaking long that it covers the IDE 2 channel of the motherboard (nf7-s) and I can't get a cable in there without it seating incorrectly.

. Something you might think about in your decision. I'm not sure if all the 6800's are like this or if it's the 6800's from PNY. But I sure do miss my DVD drive and Im thinking about getting something else just for this problem.

corruptjoker · 18-December-04, 04:10 AM

Yeah my BFG 6800gt blocks a harddrive bay in my case so I had to take out my cdrom and move the harddrive into a 51/2 slot.

droeblek9 · 18-December-04, 01:14 PM

From the slot on the back of my case to the front of the card, my BFG 6800 GT OC measures 9 inches in overall length (yeah, this sucker is loooong). Another inch, or so, and it would completely span the width of my mobo! Fortunately, it doesn't interfere with any of my gear (my ide, floppy, and power connections are on the upper right side of my mobo).
FU3L...if you can wait, i second gorked's opinion: see what the x800xl offers before making a purchase (and whether or not ATI is actually able to supply them

).

Rykno · 19-December-04, 11:00 AM

This may be a bit late, but I just ordered a Gigabyte 6800 GT, after watching my friends 6800 regular maintain some wicked temps. with the amazing passive-cooling it nets from that huge heatsink/pipes. It also seems on alot of review sites that 6800 GT benchs higher than x800 in a few areas, and is generally suggested over the x800. My .02 cents /shrug\

beachbum86 · 19-December-04, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gorked


	Some can. Not all though. And since you bumped the thread, I would recommend the X800 XL when it becomes available (in like a few weeks). 6800GT performance for $299.

by any chance do you know the company that is most comenly able to flash.

M.D.K. · 19-December-04, 08:41 PM

Why bother? The only differnece between U and GT is voltage and ram timings. You cant change the ram timings by flashing anyway, and if your card is stable at ultra speeds (most, including mine, are stable past them) then what's the point? I'd rather keep my lifetime warranty.

Fuel, I was in your situation about 2 months ago. I was either going to get an x800pro and mod it, or a gt. since the mod isnt garuanteed and even if it works theres a good chance your card will die, I went with the GT wich usually outperforms the xt for about $50 more than an x800pro. (the bfg is more expensive than other gt's, but well worth it imo.)

HL2? Yeah the gt will do excelent. I get 50-130fps in hl2dm and cs:source, at 1680x1050(widescreen) with everything up and aa/af maxed. Not to shabby for an older cpu like mine.

If you're more comfortable with ATI, then you might want to go with the x800. Be warned though, if you're going to mod it i found out many people had problems with them dying, and since theres no warranty, you're out $400. I plan on keeping this card for at least 3 years so I needed long term reliability (annother reason i went with bfg, lifetime warranty.) I used to be an ATI guy too. (rage>r100>r200)

Supahobnobba · 19-December-04, 11:24 PM

I've been an ATI guy since the beginning witth the original rage's etc....

Tonight i ordered the eVGA 6800gt and am gonna run it stock for a bit until i get my vga silencer 5 on over here (lack of 30 bucks). This thread depicts my hardest choice in the computing world for me, ATI or nvidia. penny for penny and fps for fps the GT wins so i had to do it. Also it may be watercooled soon so we'll see how it OC's

Has anyone used that 6800 waterblock from DD yet? i believe ive heard good things from it but i cant remember. DD has to be my favorite company, their attention to detail is impeccable.

Go GT

Arkangyl · 20-December-04, 12:43 AM

FYI to he would reccomened the X800 XL, very nice card for the money.

...but its a PCI-Express only part...

SPECIALBLEND218 · 20-December-04, 01:02 AM

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neotheducky · 20-December-04, 01:22 AM

I would say 6800 series based pretty much on the fact of SLI upgradability. If something comes out thats twice as fast as your 6800, just pop another one in thats now on the cheap, and you're good to go for another year. Plus, I personally think that ATI's drivers / software sucks, but maybe thats just me. I have an ATI AIW 9800 Pro, so for those of you that think I'm pulling that out of my butt, I'm going from experience here.

gl1tch · 21-December-04, 09:11 PM

[quote=Arkangyl]Who loves Ark? :p

X700 Pro
6600 GT
Ananad's 6600 GT vs. X700 Pro head to head
6800
X800
X800 Pro / X850 Pro
6800 GT
X800 XT, X850 XT (not PE, 16 pipes, lower clocks)
X850 XL (16 piped R420, low clocks though)
6800 Ultra
X800 XT PE (IMO tied with the 6800 Ultra, see me v spike on that one)
X850 XT PE

Does the 9800 fit on here anywhere or is it below the x700?

Supahobnobba · 21-December-04, 11:04 PM

id say its below

gl1tch · 21-December-04, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Supahobnobba


	id say its below

I was asking because the 6600 costs less than the 9800 on newegg by a good bit. I'm looking for a new card, I currently have an All-in-wonder 9800 pro & I want to buy a new card. I'm hesitant though,to buy a new card because that means I'd have to try to sell the 9800 & nobody's really in the market for it, I suppose.

Arkangyl · 22-December-04, 12:28 AM

The short answer is that the 6600 and X700 series are better than the 9800 series.

The long answer is that the newer cards are better in the newer (DX9) games. In older games (UT2k4, CoD) the 9800 will be about equal to the newer cards, they go back and forth depending upon the games. In Doom 3 the 6600 blows the 9800 out of the water, however because of a few factors HL2 is a different story; the way HL2 is coded it favors ATI's arcitecture and since the R4x0 cards are essentailly r360's with xtra pipes and better clocks the 9800 is really just a scaled back X700 (which is a scaled back X800 etc..) so in HL2 the 9800 actually performs about the same as the 6600 series.

However I would reccomend the 6600 series because they are equal to the 9800's in some areas but if there is any difference it is in favor of the newer cards.

M.D.K. · 22-December-04, 04:09 PM

I dont know if I'd replace a 9800pro with a 6600... theres not that much difference. I went from a 8500le to a 6800gt, which was an incredible difference.

Supahobnobba · 22-December-04, 09:01 PM

im goin from a AIW 8500 to a 6800gt, im expecting some SERIOUS improvement, then my comp will finally be finished for a year or so (college and $)

M.D.K. · 23-December-04, 12:40 PM

yeah, you will. 1 recommendation however:

with a 256mb card you're going to eat up half of your system ram by mirroring your gfx card. I wouldnt recommend less (or more) than 1gb. with that. its easy to slide with 512 on a 64mb card, but you'll notice some performance drop with a 256.

18-December-04, 04:10 AM	#23 (permalink)
corruptjoker Decept-Hoe-Con Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,752	Yeah my BFG 6800gt blocks a harddrive bay in my case so I had to take out my cdrom and move the harddrive into a 51/2 slot. __________________

18-December-04, 01:14 PM	#24 (permalink)
droeblek9 Warcraft Warrior Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 2,018	From the slot on the back of my case to the front of the card, my BFG 6800 GT OC measures 9 inches in overall length (yeah, this sucker is loooong). Another inch, or so, and it would completely span the width of my mobo! Fortunately, it doesn't interfere with any of my gear (my ide, floppy, and power connections are on the upper right side of my mobo). FU3L...if you can wait, i second gorked's opinion: see what the x800xl offers before making a purchase (and whether or not ATI is actually able to supply them ). __________________

19-December-04, 11:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
Supahobnobba Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: May 2004 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 306	I've been an ATI guy since the beginning witth the original rage's etc.... Tonight i ordered the eVGA 6800gt and am gonna run it stock for a bit until i get my vga silencer 5 on over here (lack of 30 bucks). This thread depicts my hardest choice in the computing world for me, ATI or nvidia. penny for penny and fps for fps the GT wins so i had to do it. Also it may be watercooled soon so we'll see how it OC's Has anyone used that 6800 waterblock from DD yet? i believe ive heard good things from it but i cant remember. DD has to be my favorite company, their attention to detail is impeccable. Go GT __________________

21-December-04, 09:11 PM	#32 (permalink)
gl1tch Apex Techie Wannabe Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 16	[quote=Arkangyl]Who loves Ark? :p X700 Pro 6600 GT Ananad's 6600 GT vs. X700 Pro head to head 6800 X800 X800 Pro / X850 Pro 6800 GT X800 XT, X850 XT (not PE, 16 pipes, lower clocks) X850 XL (16 piped R420, low clocks though) 6800 Ultra X800 XT PE (IMO tied with the 6800 Ultra, see me v spike on that one) X850 XT PE Does the 9800 fit on here anywhere or is it below the x700? __________________ AsRock P4v88 Mobo P4 3.0 Prescott Oc'd to 3.6 1 gig Dual-Channel Corsair Pc3200 Ati All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro Aspire X-infinity Case (Black) Zalman Zm80d-Hp Cooler W/ Fan Coolermaster Jet 4 Cpu Cooler ThermalTake Xaser Silent Purepower 480 Psu

21-December-04, 11:04 PM	#33 (permalink)
Supahobnobba Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: May 2004 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 306	id say its below __________________

19-December-04, 11:00 AM	#25 (permalink)
Rykno Apex Techie II Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York Posts: 103	This may be a bit late, but I just ordered a Gigabyte 6800 GT, after watching my friends 6800 regular maintain some wicked temps. with the amazing passive-cooling it nets from that huge heatsink/pipes. It also seems on alot of review sites that 6800 GT benchs higher than x800 in a few areas, and is generally suggested over the x800. My .02 cents /shrug\

19-December-04, 08:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
M.D.K. Apex Tech Maniac Supreme Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 953	Why bother? The only differnece between U and GT is voltage and ram timings. You cant change the ram timings by flashing anyway, and if your card is stable at ultra speeds (most, including mine, are stable past them) then what's the point? I'd rather keep my lifetime warranty. Fuel, I was in your situation about 2 months ago. I was either going to get an x800pro and mod it, or a gt. since the mod isnt garuanteed and even if it works theres a good chance your card will die, I went with the GT wich usually outperforms the xt for about $50 more than an x800pro. (the bfg is more expensive than other gt's, but well worth it imo.) HL2? Yeah the gt will do excelent. I get 50-130fps in hl2dm and cs:source, at 1680x1050(widescreen) with everything up and aa/af maxed. Not to shabby for an older cpu like mine. If you're more comfortable with ATI, then you might want to go with the x800. Be warned though, if you're going to mod it i found out many people had problems with them dying, and since theres no warranty, you're out $400. I plan on keeping this card for at least 3 years so I needed long term reliability (annother reason i went with bfg, lifetime warranty.) I used to be an ATI guy too. (rage>r100>r200)

20-December-04, 12:43 AM	#29 (permalink)
Arkangyl Hoe-lier than Thou Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: far, far away Posts: 2,342	FYI to he would reccomened the X800 XL, very nice card for the money. ...but its a PCI-Express only part...

20-December-04, 01:22 AM	#31 (permalink)
neotheducky Rubber Duck-Hoe Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,557	I would say 6800 series based pretty much on the fact of SLI upgradability. If something comes out thats twice as fast as your 6800, just pop another one in thats now on the cheap, and you're good to go for another year. Plus, I personally think that ATI's drivers / software sucks, but maybe thats just me. I have an ATI AIW 9800 Pro, so for those of you that think I'm pulling that out of my butt, I'm going from experience here.

22-December-04, 12:28 AM	#35 (permalink)
Arkangyl Hoe-lier than Thou Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: far, far away Posts: 2,342	The short answer is that the 6600 and X700 series are better than the 9800 series. The long answer is that the newer cards are better in the newer (DX9) games. In older games (UT2k4, CoD) the 9800 will be about equal to the newer cards, they go back and forth depending upon the games. In Doom 3 the 6600 blows the 9800 out of the water, however because of a few factors HL2 is a different story; the way HL2 is coded it favors ATI's arcitecture and since the R4x0 cards are essentailly r360's with xtra pipes and better clocks the 9800 is really just a scaled back X700 (which is a scaled back X800 etc..) so in HL2 the 9800 actually performs about the same as the 6600 series. However I would reccomend the 6600 series because they are equal to the 9800's in some areas but if there is any difference it is in favor of the newer cards.

22-December-04, 04:09 PM	#36 (permalink)
M.D.K. Apex Tech Maniac Supreme Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 953	I dont know if I'd replace a 9800pro with a 6600... theres not that much difference. I went from a 8500le to a 6800gt, which was an incredible difference.

22-December-04, 09:01 PM	#37 (permalink)
Supahobnobba Apex Master Tech Apprentice Join Date: May 2004 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 306	im goin from a AIW 8500 to a 6800gt, im expecting some SERIOUS improvement, then my comp will finally be finished for a year or so (college and $) __________________

23-December-04, 12:40 PM	#38 (permalink)
M.D.K. Apex Tech Maniac Supreme Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 953	yeah, you will. 1 recommendation however: with a 256mb card you're going to eat up half of your system ram by mirroring your gfx card. I wouldnt recommend less (or more) than 1gb. with that. its easy to slide with 512 on a 64mb card, but you'll notice some performance drop with a 256.

23-December-04, 08:15 PM	#39 (permalink)
D.O.A Apex Techie I Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 53