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ZENNZZO · 11-June-04, 02:56 AM

With all the hoopala on the 9800pro to 9800XT flash, I thought I'd pull their card and see what was up with all the hype...
khellandros66 was promptly IM'd and he gave me all the details.
WinFlash allows you to do it right from the comfort of Windows,
All the drivers from the OMEGA boyz work fine after the flash.
I am able to go to 500/420 with zero artifacts and that's cooled with the overtightened maze-4 h20 block and no sinks..
Thanks again khellandros66, great find!!

and a rep for ya...

lAnonymousl · 11-June-04, 03:02 AM

Wonder if this would work on a NP already flashed to a Pro......hmm.

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 03:03 AM

lAnonymousl,

Not sure, is it a R360 core and Samsung ram?

~Bob

aaronrkelly · 11-June-04, 03:04 AM

As long as the memory would hold out at the higher clock I dont think it would matter.

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 03:07 AM

Aaron theres more to than that, I think the PCB has to match the 9800XT as well and mine does, so does Red02's and as far as I know so does Zenz's

~Bob

aaronrkelly · 11-June-04, 03:28 AM

I did a google search and found about 3 or so sites that made mention of 3DMAXX flashing a non-pro to XT. They made mention of their being no thermal diode so the OVERDRIVE feature would not work. I tried accesing their site www.3dmaxx.net but got no joy. Seems its possible but rare/unlikely.

Red02 · 11-June-04, 09:15 AM

works great for me

im loving every minute of it.

Just make sure its the correct layout with your ram and that you have the R360 core and your good to go

Chrome_Rust · 11-June-04, 10:35 AM

as not one who has had a 9800 Pro, i thought there werw R350 cores. i know that my 9800Se is a R350 core. and my XT is a R360. but i thought that the R360 was XT specific...can any clear that up for me? just curious.

Slider · 11-June-04, 10:40 AM

How do you know which is which?

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 10:41 AM

Chrome,

I my theory is that ATi saves money by fabricating R360 and has companies use a 9800Pro Bios, this is cheaper than making two different cores when one core can actually function for both. So technically these 9800Pros with the Samsung RAm and R360 are kinda watered down 9800XTs until ya ulock all of the features on the chip.

~Bob

KayinStorm · 11-June-04, 10:45 AM

Here's the scoop (we went over this when we got the SE)

The R360 core powers the XT. However, it was first used in Pro cards, then filtered down to non-Pro and SE cards. They were often outfitted with slower RAM, if the core was a reject, but there were some that were declocked basically to deal with supply/demand-not only is the Pro a cheaper card, but the XT is a niche item-fewer orders mean that they had to do something with the cores. Voila, we have R360 cored 9800 class cards.

Great deal if you can find a SE with a 360 core and flash/hardmod it to XT (and I've heard it can be done!) I'm gonna have to go on an evdence gathering spree...

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 10:47 AM

Slider,

In order to know what core you have, you'll have to remove the HSF and clean off the thermal grease and take a look, if you do have a pen and paper hand and write it down, cause the first time I removed the VGA Silencer I thought I saw a R390, but since I went to sleep not long after I remebered an upside down 6 as in R360.

~Bob

KayinStorm · 11-June-04, 11:02 AM

http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard....desc=asc&no=26

proof it exists, I'm trying to find a how-to...

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 11:07 AM

Ok we just upped the anti, I now have both the ability to help with Samsung and now Hynix RAM too

~BOb

Chrome_Rust · 11-June-04, 11:11 AM

BUT does the core say R360? or do they rebadge it as R350?

KayinStorm · 11-June-04, 11:13 AM

There are R360 core SE cards.

Also, it would seem you use the supplied BIOSes from Khell and you can make an XT AIW...

That, to my knowledge, hasn't been tested. We may need volunteers-anybody wanna buy me a card?

Chrome_Rust · 11-June-04, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KayinStorm


	There are R360 core SE cards. Also, it would seem you use the supplied BIOSes from Khell and you can make an XT AIW... That, to my knowledge, hasn't been tested. We may need volunteers-anybody wanna buy me a card?

ok, all questions answered.....and no i am not going to buy you a card.....

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 11:21 AM

The core does say R360, and if they happen to rebadge, which I highly doubt, that would be shady. Mine, Zenz's, and Red02's all said R360 and had ram that can do 730MHz

~Bob

Chrome_Rust · 11-June-04, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khellandros66


	The core does say R360, and if they happen to rebadge, which I highly doubt, that would be shady. Mine, Zenz's, and Red02's all said R360 and had ram that can do 730MHz ~Bob

well hell aint that a good deal!

khellandros66 · 11-June-04, 12:48 PM

Ok this is what I found on the 9800SE to 9800XT, according to some places you need a R360, RAM that does 730Mhz, and Omega Drivers.

Now the you can flash it to open up other optimizations of the R360 core, but in order to open the 4 pipes you need the Omega Drivers.

Getting close...

[EDIT] found someone who used a XpertVision 9800SE 128MB 256bit card that did a sucessful XT mod [Edit2] and had an R350 core!!!!???

~Bob

11-June-04, 02:56 AM		#1 (permalink)
ZENNZZO Direct Cool Hoe	proXT With all the hoopala on the 9800pro to 9800XT flash, I thought I'd pull their card and see what was up with all the hype... khellandros66 was promptly IM'd and he gave me all the details. WinFlash allows you to do it right from the comfort of Windows, All the drivers from the OMEGA boyz work fine after the flash. I am able to go to 500/420 with zero artifacts and that's cooled with the overtightened maze-4 h20 block and no sinks.. Thanks again khellandros66, great find!! and a rep for ya... Attached Thumbnails

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11-June-04, 03:02 AM		#2 (permalink)
lAnonymousl The Who? Hoe	Wonder if this would work on a NP already flashed to a Pro......hmm.

11-June-04, 03:03 AM		#3 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	lAnonymousl, Not sure, is it a R360 core and Samsung ram? ~Bob

11-June-04, 03:04 AM		#4 (permalink)
aaronrkelly Apex Tech God	As long as the memory would hold out at the higher clock I dont think it would matter.

11-June-04, 03:07 AM		#5 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	Aaron theres more to than that, I think the PCB has to match the 9800XT as well and mine does, so does Red02's and as far as I know so does Zenz's ~Bob

11-June-04, 03:28 AM		#6 (permalink)
aaronrkelly Apex Tech God	I did a google search and found about 3 or so sites that made mention of 3DMAXX flashing a non-pro to XT. They made mention of their being no thermal diode so the OVERDRIVE feature would not work. I tried accesing their site www.3dmaxx.net but got no joy. Seems its possible but rare/unlikely.

11-June-04, 09:15 AM		#7 (permalink)
Red02 Freck-hoe-d	works great for me im loving every minute of it. Just make sure its the correct layout with your ram and that you have the R360 core and your good to go

11-June-04, 10:35 AM		#8 (permalink)
Chrome_Rust Apex Tech God	as not one who has had a 9800 Pro, i thought there werw R350 cores. i know that my 9800Se is a R350 core. and my XT is a R360. but i thought that the R360 was XT specific...can any clear that up for me? just curious.

11-June-04, 10:40 AM		#9 (permalink)
Slider Ghostrider	How do you know which is which?

11-June-04, 10:41 AM		#10 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	Chrome, I my theory is that ATi saves money by fabricating R360 and has companies use a 9800Pro Bios, this is cheaper than making two different cores when one core can actually function for both. So technically these 9800Pros with the Samsung RAm and R360 are kinda watered down 9800XTs until ya ulock all of the features on the chip. ~Bob

11-June-04, 10:45 AM		#11 (permalink)
KayinStorm Apex Tech God	Here's the scoop (we went over this when we got the SE) The R360 core powers the XT. However, it was first used in Pro cards, then filtered down to non-Pro and SE cards. They were often outfitted with slower RAM, if the core was a reject, but there were some that were declocked basically to deal with supply/demand-not only is the Pro a cheaper card, but the XT is a niche item-fewer orders mean that they had to do something with the cores. Voila, we have R360 cored 9800 class cards. Great deal if you can find a SE with a 360 core and flash/hardmod it to XT (and I've heard it can be done!) I'm gonna have to go on an evdence gathering spree...

11-June-04, 10:47 AM		#12 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	Slider, In order to know what core you have, you'll have to remove the HSF and clean off the thermal grease and take a look, if you do have a pen and paper hand and write it down, cause the first time I removed the VGA Silencer I thought I saw a R390, but since I went to sleep not long after I remebered an upside down 6 as in R360. ~Bob

11-June-04, 11:02 AM		#13 (permalink)
KayinStorm Apex Tech God	http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard....desc=asc&no=26 proof it exists, I'm trying to find a how-to...

11-June-04, 11:07 AM		#14 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	Ok we just upped the anti, I now have both the ability to help with Samsung and now Hynix RAM too ~BOb

11-June-04, 11:11 AM		#15 (permalink)
Chrome_Rust Apex Tech God	BUT does the core say R360? or do they rebadge it as R350?

11-June-04, 11:13 AM		#16 (permalink)
KayinStorm Apex Tech God	There are R360 core SE cards. Also, it would seem you use the supplied BIOSes from Khell and you can make an XT AIW... That, to my knowledge, hasn't been tested. We may need volunteers-anybody wanna buy me a card?

11-June-04, 11:21 AM		#18 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	The core does say R360, and if they happen to rebadge, which I highly doubt, that would be shady. Mine, Zenz's, and Red02's all said R360 and had ram that can do 730MHz ~Bob

11-June-04, 12:48 PM		#20 (permalink)
khellandros66 Apex Master Tech	Ok this is what I found on the 9800SE to 9800XT, according to some places you need a R360, RAM that does 730Mhz, and Omega Drivers. Now the you can flash it to open up other optimizations of the R360 core, but in order to open the 4 pipes you need the Omega Drivers. Getting close... [EDIT] found someone who used a XpertVision 9800SE 128MB 256bit card that did a sucessful XT mod [Edit2] and had an R350 core!!!!??? ~Bob