additional Raedon 9800XT problems

NiSm0 · 05-January-04, 01:28 AM

ok guys, this is really starting to make me mad. Initially i installed my Raedon 9800XT on christmas and it seemed to be working fine. But when i used it in games i kept getting rediculous fluxuation in my frame rate. The card would average at around 100fps in counter-strike 1.6 but whenever multiple users were near or if a grenade went off i would plunge down to 30fps

I dont know why the card was doing that so i uninstalled and reinstalled windows complete with a fully formatted drive. Sure enough i fired up cstrike again and i got the same problems. Could my system be out of date?
I have an MSI M6507 mobo (4x agp) and a P4 @ 2.2 ghZ (400 fsb) and even a gig of ram.
do i need to get a faster processor and a better motherboard that supports 8x agp or are my settings wrong somehow for my ati card? please help me because this whole process of installing and uninstalling and breaking things in anger is very unplesant.

Evil3lf · 05-January-04, 01:58 AM

You don't need it asap but i would try to get a mobo with 8x agap when you have the money. Have you got the new Catalyst drivers? Are yuu running any other programs in the background? what are the settings on your card set to? (performance or graphics) What are the settings in counter-strike set to?

NiSm0 · 05-January-04, 02:10 AM

my ATI settings are all default, yes i downloaded the latest catylist drivers, and im not quite sure what you mean about the programs running in the background. I have a Sound Blaster Audigy card with audio HQ and the creative toolbar running, AIM, Popup blocker Pro, Steam (sometimes) and logitech mouseware. But with my old Ge Force 4 4600Ti this was never a problem and my computer ran faster then ever. why is this ATI running so slow?

TekXoID · 05-January-04, 04:58 AM

Elf, AGP8X doesnt help at all (yet), I tested my 9800XT at AGP4X, and there was no more than a 5FPS hit over AGP8X.

Close all your applications, make sure there are no intensive processes in task manager and try disabling explosion effects.

NiSm0 · 05-January-04, 09:03 AM

Texoid could u or someone else tell me the critical system processes that i have to have running for windows...I will try 2 disable all the rest. But the fact of the matter is, i cant even run HALO at 640x480 resolution without it running slow as s***!! normally, with my GeForce it would run great on the highest setting. I have to figure out why this card is making my comp run slower

Evil3lf · 05-January-04, 09:39 AM

www.blkviper.com the best site for shutting down system processes he has spent a few thousand hours playing with them.

NiSm0 · 05-January-04, 03:21 PM

broken link...

Arkangyl · 05-January-04, 03:43 PM

the real link is;

www.blackviper.com

very good website, too bad SP1 killed my framerates... Waiting till the WC stuff gets here then it's a fresh install and some OC'ing

other than that; see if your mobo allows for fastwrite, if it does enable it in both BIOS and Display Options, if it doesn't disable it in both places...

Make sure you've got the 3.10 or 3.9 Caty's (the 3.9's are better IMO but 3.10 is newer). Make sure all flitering is at 2x and v-synch is off along with Truform..

Your 2.2 P4A might be hurtin Halo but since CS was better before... That's all i can offer you.

Joose · 05-January-04, 04:10 PM

Dude, it sounds like you have AA and/or AF enabled in your driver control panel. Check it out...you should be getting WAY higher framerates on a 9800XT vs. a Ti4600. The whole thing sounds suspicious.

TYCOON · 05-January-04, 04:50 PM

Well i got that same problem with my 9600pro, my damn Geforce2 mx400 got better fps in counterstrike, i say its an ati thing... counterstrike is an old game.

I need straight 60 fps to play, my 9600 gets 50 - 30

Joose · 05-January-04, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TYCOON


	Well i got that same problem with my 9600pro, my damn Geforce2 mx400 got better fps in counterstrike, i say its an ati thing... counterstrike is an old game. I need straight 60 fps to play, my 9600 gets 50 - 30

Have you checked your AA/AF settings too? As far as I remember CS isn't that graphic intensive...what driver/directX versions are you running?

TekXoID · 05-January-04, 06:39 PM

Running processes shown in Attachment #1. I suggest that you...

Uninstall your current drivers with the ATi Uninstallation Utility.
Upon Reboot, Run driver cleaner and select to clean anything ATi Related (there are multiple items and require multiple cleanings). Empty your trash bin and continue.
Download the latest Catalyst (v3.10), install, and reboot.
Install Rage3D Tweak.
Display Properties>Settings>Advanced>Rage3D Tab>Set as shown in Attachment #2.
Lastly, start Service Editor by typing services.msc in run. "Stop" and "Disable" ATi Smart & ATi Hotkey Poller.
Try CounterStrike.

05-January-04, 01:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
NiSm0 Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 175	additional Raedon 9800XT problems ok guys, this is really starting to make me mad. Initially i installed my Raedon 9800XT on christmas and it seemed to be working fine. But when i used it in games i kept getting rediculous fluxuation in my frame rate. The card would average at around 100fps in counter-strike 1.6 but whenever multiple users were near or if a grenade went off i would plunge down to 30fps I dont know why the card was doing that so i uninstalled and reinstalled windows complete with a fully formatted drive. Sure enough i fired up cstrike again and i got the same problems. Could my system be out of date? I have an MSI M6507 mobo (4x agp) and a P4 @ 2.2 ghZ (400 fsb) and even a gig of ram. do i need to get a faster processor and a better motherboard that supports 8x agp or are my settings wrong somehow for my ati card? please help me because this whole process of installing and uninstalling and breaking things in anger is very unplesant.

05-January-04, 01:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Evil3lf Lokie's Elf of Evil Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 775	You don't need it asap but i would try to get a mobo with 8x agap when you have the money. Have you got the new Catalyst drivers? Are yuu running any other programs in the background? what are the settings on your card set to? (performance or graphics) What are the settings in counter-strike set to? __________________ It was dark when I started drinking... I blame the sun for making it day again.

05-January-04, 09:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
Evil3lf Lokie's Elf of Evil Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 775	www.blkviper.com the best site for shutting down system processes he has spent a few thousand hours playing with them. __________________ It was dark when I started drinking... I blame the sun for making it day again.

05-January-04, 04:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Joose Joosey Join Date: May 2003 Location: Milton, Ontario Posts: 5,537	Dude, it sounds like you have AA and/or AF enabled in your driver control panel. Check it out...you should be getting WAY higher framerates on a 9800XT vs. a Ti4600. The whole thing sounds suspicious. __________________ Joose - joosy since 1975 Cheap, Good, Fast - You can only have two out of three.

05-January-04, 04:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
TYCOON Apex Tech God Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SCHOOLLLSSS Posts: 4,728	Well i got that same problem with my 9600pro, my damn Geforce2 mx400 got better fps in counterstrike, i say its an ati thing... counterstrike is an old game. I need straight 60 fps to play, my 9600 gets 50 - 30 __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ @ 2.7GHz DFI LanParty SLI-D 2GBs PC3200 @ PC3500 // 2.5-3-3-6 EVGA 7950GT 512MB @ Stock Audigy 2 ZS 36Gb Raptor (os) 2x300Gb WD SATA 16MB CACHE (storage) 450Watt OCZ modstream Coolermaster Wavemaster

05-January-04, 02:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
NiSm0 Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 175	my ATI settings are all default, yes i downloaded the latest catylist drivers, and im not quite sure what you mean about the programs running in the background. I have a Sound Blaster Audigy card with audio HQ and the creative toolbar running, AIM, Popup blocker Pro, Steam (sometimes) and logitech mouseware. But with my old Ge Force 4 4600Ti this was never a problem and my computer ran faster then ever. why is this ATI running so slow?

05-January-04, 04:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
TekXoID Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: looking for love in the nearest gay bar Posts: 4,089	Elf, AGP8X doesnt help at all (yet), I tested my 9800XT at AGP4X, and there was no more than a 5FPS hit over AGP8X. Close all your applications, make sure there are no intensive processes in task manager and try disabling explosion effects.

05-January-04, 09:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
NiSm0 Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 175	Texoid could u or someone else tell me the critical system processes that i have to have running for windows...I will try 2 disable all the rest. But the fact of the matter is, i cant even run HALO at 640x480 resolution without it running slow as s***!! normally, with my GeForce it would run great on the highest setting. I have to figure out why this card is making my comp run slower

05-January-04, 03:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
NiSm0 Apex Advanced Techie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 175	broken link...

05-January-04, 03:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Arkangyl Hoe-lier than Thou Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: far, far away Posts: 2,342	the real link is; www.blackviper.com very good website, too bad SP1 killed my framerates... Waiting till the WC stuff gets here then it's a fresh install and some OC'ing other than that; see if your mobo allows for fastwrite, if it does enable it in both BIOS and Display Options, if it doesn't disable it in both places... Make sure you've got the 3.10 or 3.9 Caty's (the 3.9's are better IMO but 3.10 is newer). Make sure all flitering is at 2x and v-synch is off along with Truform.. Your 2.2 P4A might be hurtin Halo but since CS was better before... That's all i can offer you.

05-January-04, 06:39 PM	#12 (permalink)
TekXoID Banned Join Date: May 2003 Location: looking for love in the nearest gay bar Posts: 4,089	Running processes shown in Attachment #1. I suggest that you... Uninstall your current drivers with the ATi Uninstallation Utility. Upon Reboot, Run driver cleaner and select to clean anything ATi Related (there are multiple items and require multiple cleanings). Empty your trash bin and continue. Download the latest Catalyst (v3.10), install, and reboot. Install Rage3D Tweak. Display Properties>Settings>Advanced>Rage3D Tab>Set as shown in Attachment #2. *Lastly, start Service Editor by typing services.msc* in run. "Stop" and "Disable" ATi Smart & ATi Hotkey Poller. Try CounterStrike.** Attached Thumbnails

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