The justification of Existance

Nerdz · 18-July-06, 07:34 PM

Here are a couple questions worth thinking about- And After a couple days Of thinking, I cant come up with an answer, IF there is an answer to the questions Ive thought of.

Question 1: Do we justify our exsistance by setting goals? (Do we prove to other people that we exsist by setting goals)
or
Question 2: Do our Goals Justify our exsistance, Meaning, Do the goals that are Preset for us Justify we Exsist?
or
Question 3: We exsist to justify our goals? (Do we Exsist to prove we have goals)
or
Question 4: Do we Just exsist with out no justification that we exsist?
or
Question 5: Does Exsistance mean we have goals?
or
Question 6:Because we Exsist, does that mean Other people Exsist?
or
Question 7:If no one exsisted, does that mean nothing else can exsist (ie, A human free world, nature). BUT because we dont exsist, that means nature wouldnt exsist because nature is a word that man has created. Then again, We know Dinsosaurs Exsisted, But humans didnt exsist at that time. So would everything still exsist, even though we stopped exsisting?
or
Question 8: What if, There was no such thing as exsistance? Would we still exsist even though there is no justification that we exsist?

I think question 8 is a paradox, Something like Schrodinger's Cat

$SOLID$ Necro · 18-July-06, 09:02 PM

I think you have reached that point in life where you are asking the same questions man has asked since the dawn of his existance on earth.

Is this all I am?

Why am I here?

What happens when I die?

An old song from the Talking head comes to mind, and I think it says it best:

Quote:

And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful
wife
And you may ask yourself-Well...How did I get here?
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...

Water dissolving...and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Carry the water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean!

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/in the silent water
Under the rocks and stones/there is water underground.

Letting the days go by/let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by/water flowing underground
Into the blue again/after the money's gone
Once in a lifetime/water flowing underground.

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/talking-h...in-a-lifetime/

My answer is therefore: THERE IS NO ANSWER

What you must do is seek your place in the universe, enjoy it for what it is..and try to understand the meaning of life.

Sometimes finding the answers is not as important as learning how one might find them...like the old cliche' says "Life's a journey, not a destination"

I have found peace with that answer

joecoin · 18-July-06, 09:27 PM

I love that song.

Many many many moons ago, I found an answer that suited me for a long time.

The question was, "What are we?"

The answer is' "We are "What are wes'?"." (Wes' (pronounced wheez) are all humankind.)

So what we are is a bunch of whatever we are trying to figure out what we are. Pure and simple.

Fire Hawk · 19-July-06, 08:20 PM

I asked my dad during an arguement "What's the point of life? There's no point to this cluster****, dad!"
"yes, yes there is."
...mmm, ok...
I told my mom the same, during a different arguement, "There's no point to it, just like there's no purpose to life!"
"If you believe that, then..."

Maybe its completely based on our goals, like you said. We're born or we "just have" ideas of something we want more than anything. And so, in most cases, we try to get it. Of course, if it falls too far away, giving up doesn't seem too bad, what have you got to loose? Well, we don't know, so, you know what comes next.

As Solid Necro already used, songs are great for this kind of stuff!

Quote:


	I dreamnt of a fever, one that would cure me of this cold winter-set heart, with heat to melt these frozen tears, burn with reasons as to carry on Into these twisted months I plunge without a light to follow, but I swear that I would follow anything, just get me out of here But, you get six months to adapt, and you get two more to leave town and in the event that you adapt, we still may not want you around But I fell for the promise, of a live with a purpose, but I know that's imposible now And so I drink to stay warm, and to kill selected memories 'Cause I just can't think anymore about that or about her tonight Well I give myself three days to feel better, or else I swear I'm driving off a f***ing cliff 'Cause if I can't learn to make myself feel better, how can I expect anyone else to give a sh1t?! And I scream for the sunlight or a car to take me anywhere, just get me past this dead and eternal snow Because I swear that I'm dieing, slowly but it s happening and if the perfect spring is waiting somewhere, then take me ther Just take me there any lie to me and say, lie to me and say it's going to be alright

If existance is kind of like a free-for-all then I see where being me has an advantage. I will never have to settle for anyone or anything, because the world will all have to settle for me

slickcam · 21-July-06, 12:12 PM

To me I see life as a one time deal. There are no second chances, no do-overs.

So, why waste it wondering why we're here? Why bother worrying yourself about what purpose we have here. Go out and live your life, your not getting any younger. Have fun and live life to the fullest, you never know when it could end.

Just my cents, take it or leave it!

Slickcam

musclecars&computers · 21-July-06, 01:35 PM

My goals and or believes about life are:

1) Never live the same day twice.

2) If you have to make yourself get up and go to work, your at the wrong job.

3) When I'm on my death bed i don't want to have any regrets.

4) You need to share your life with somebody else.

Well thax what i live by.

joecoin · 21-July-06, 11:50 PM

My goals and or believes about life are:

1) Never live the same day twice.

I wish that was easy to do

2) If you have to make yourself get up and go to work, your at the wrong job.

That's for sure, this is the most important idea. In fact, if you can get away with it, don't work at all.

3) When I'm on my death bed i don't want to have any regrets.

I hope I'm not in bed when I die

4) You need to share your life with somebody else.

If they are the right person. I'm on top of this one, I'm very lucky

.

Reza · 22-July-06, 12:32 AM

Humans are a small dot on the canvas which is the universe, just another species although granted we have progressed more than any other species we know of.

The way I look at life is: I'm alive today, tomorrow I might be dead, what can I do about it? Answer Jack all so I guess i'll just see what comes!

lAnonymousl · 26-July-06, 02:06 AM

"I don't need to justify myself to you." -Existence-

Living the same day twice.....the quantum physicist's holy grail and the Alzheimer's patient's immunity.

RBIEZE · 26-July-06, 02:42 AM

Be here now.
There is no tomorrow, or yesterday.
Only this very moment.
Spanning eternity.

Oh ,and I made Mashed Potatoes...

slickcam · 28-July-06, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBIEZE


	Oh ,and I made Mashed Potatoes...

AHHH its all clear now! Thanks for clearing things up!

Seyeklopz · 28-July-06, 11:37 PM

There doesn't have to be a reason.

I think we exist because out of the endless permuations of universes we got one where matter exists, time is one way, and water has amazing quantum properties.

I think the universe is becoming self-aware and we're the neurons.

18-July-06, 07:34 PM		#1 (permalink)
Nerdz Sir Knight of Spamalot	The justification of Existance Here are a couple questions worth thinking about- And After a couple days Of thinking, I cant come up with an answer, IF there is an answer to the questions Ive thought of. Question 1: Do we justify our exsistance by setting goals? (Do we prove to other people that we exsist by setting goals) or Question 2: Do our Goals Justify our exsistance, Meaning, Do the goals that are Preset for us Justify we Exsist? or Question 3: We exsist to justify our goals? (Do we Exsist to prove we have goals) or Question 4: Do we Just exsist with out no justification that we exsist? or Question 5: Does Exsistance mean we have goals? or Question 6:Because we Exsist, does that mean Other people Exsist? or Question 7:If no one exsisted, does that mean nothing else can exsist (ie, A human free world, nature). BUT because we dont exsist, that means nature wouldnt exsist because nature is a word that man has created. Then again, We know Dinsosaurs Exsisted, But humans didnt exsist at that time. So would everything still exsist, even though we stopped exsisting? or Question 8: What if, There was no such thing as exsistance? Would we still exsist even though there is no justification that we exsist? I think question 8 is a paradox, Something like Schrodinger's Cat

18-July-06, 09:27 PM		#3 (permalink)
joecoin Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	Re: The justification of Existance I love that song. Many many many moons ago, I found an answer that suited me for a long time. The question was, "What are we?" The answer is' "We are "What are wes'?"." (Wes' (pronounced wheez) are all humankind.) So what we are is a bunch of whatever we are trying to figure out what we are. Pure and simple.

21-July-06, 12:12 PM		#5 (permalink)
slickcam Paintball C-Hoe-2	Re: The justification of Existance To me I see life as a one time deal. There are no second chances, no do-overs. So, why waste it wondering why we're here? Why bother worrying yourself about what purpose we have here. Go out and live your life, your not getting any younger. Have fun and live life to the fullest, you never know when it could end. Just my cents, take it or leave it! Slickcam

21-July-06, 01:35 PM		#6 (permalink)
musclecars&computers Apex Tech Demi-God	Re: The justification of Existance My goals and or believes about life are: 1) Never live the same day twice. 2) If you have to make yourself get up and go to work, your at the wrong job. 3) When I'm on my death bed i don't want to have any regrets. 4) You need to share your life with somebody else. Well thax what i live by.

21-July-06, 11:50 PM		#7 (permalink)
joecoin Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	Re: The justification of Existance My goals and or believes about life are: 1) Never live the same day twice. I wish that was easy to do 2) If you have to make yourself get up and go to work, your at the wrong job. That's for sure, this is the most important idea. In fact, if you can get away with it, don't work at all. 3) When I'm on my death bed i don't want to have any regrets. I hope I'm not in bed when I die 4) You need to share your life with somebody else. If they are the right person. I'm on top of this one, I'm very lucky .

22-July-06, 12:32 AM		#8 (permalink)
Reza Apex Elite Expert Tech	Re: The justification of Existance Humans are a small dot on the canvas which is the universe, just another species although granted we have progressed more than any other species we know of. The way I look at life is: I'm alive today, tomorrow I might be dead, what can I do about it? Answer Jack all so I guess i'll just see what comes!

26-July-06, 02:06 AM		#9 (permalink)
lAnonymousl The Who? Hoe	Re: The justification of Existance "I don't need to justify myself to you." -Existence- Living the same day twice.....the quantum physicist's holy grail and the Alzheimer's patient's immunity. Last edited by lAnonymousl; 26-July-06 at 02:18 AM.

26-July-06, 02:42 AM		#10 (permalink)
RBIEZE Apex Tech Demi-God	Re: The justification of Existance Be here now. There is no tomorrow, or yesterday. Only this very moment. Spanning eternity. Oh ,and I made Mashed Potatoes...

28-July-06, 11:37 PM		#12 (permalink)
Seyeklopz Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	Re: The justification of Existance There doesn't have to be a reason. I think we exist because out of the endless permuations of universes we got one where matter exists, time is one way, and water has amazing quantum properties. I think the universe is becoming self-aware and we're the neurons.

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