We had just taken my 1986 F-250 out to the desert and had a little romp. I always thought it had a 351 cleavland in it untill i looked up the VIN on it, and found out it had a 460 in it, the biggest motor ever dropped in the f-250s at the time. Well that explained its ability to just sit there spinning the tires, but i still never thought it was that fast... till tonight. We were running down bell, and i decide to see what its top speed was in a half mile. I gunned it, squeeled the tires and it let loose. Its all stock except for the new dual exhaust and cherry poppers on it (gayest thing EVER) and it got to roughly 115 in a half mile. I crapped my self. I say roughly because the mph gauge only goes to 85, but it went past it, around to the 15 and started clicking. So me and my bro drew are like, lets murder some ricers. Being a former ricer our selves (eagle talon.....poor bird) we knew where to go. We head up to deer valley air port and line up against a 2000 civc hatch SI. He had a c16 with intake and exhaust and said he was running 17s. He laughed at my f250 and said this was the funniest lineup hed ever seen. He asked if it had a 302 in it, and i just shook my head and power braked. I let loose and completly layed waste to the kid. Beat him by 2 car lengths. He was just in awe. I am now a firm beliver in american muscle, and im already saving up for that shiny supercharger built for the 460....i jsut cant wait

The supercharger would be sweet. I'm a Ford man, most definitely and that motor is one of the reasons.

When I was sixteen, and in the market for a car project my dad and I could do together, a buddy of his brought over a 72 Ford F100 Custom or whatever. It had a fleetside bed, posi-track, gears, and a decent built-up motor (460CID). The three of us took it out, dad drove down the store and back, I drove from the store to the house. However, about halfway home the truck owner looks over to me and says, "pull over, let some of these cars pass, then get on it so you can see what it is." I pulled over at this little elementary school and waited, had an opening with no other cars in sight and I layed that pedal down and it pulled me back in the seat like nobody's business. As the automatic transmission hit the next gear at the appropriate time, it pulled me back hard in the seat again. That was a life-changing experience.

...that and when we finally got the 440 magnum built and dropped in the Charger. You can't beat a built 440 magnum, Hemi transmission, and a Dana60 rear-end. I think that is the best combination of a driveline from any muscle car of that era. Unbelievable. I can squall the hell out of all four gears in that car. First time I ever 'romped' on it, the posi-track scared the hell out of me because the ass-end of the car was trying its best to come up there with me.

Not trying to be a smartass, but I have never heard of a 'C16' motor. Did you mean B16? As far as I know, the only C16 engine is in a Caterpillar tractor.
...I could be wrong?

nope c16 motor is the stock one in the SIs dood. Id never heard about it eithr till tonight. LEasst thats what i was told, i always thought the SIs had b16s in em...

Quote: Originally Posted by mot19 nope c16 motor is the stock one in the SIs dood. Id never heard about it eithr till tonight. LEasst thats what i was told, i always thought the SIs had b16s in em...

SI's? They're B16's, I'm pretty sure. I know they're a 1.6L dual overhead cam.

Edit: According to my inside sources (my cousin, who knows a lot about cars), there wasn't a C16. He and I concluded that the SI motor was probably something along the lines of a B16B or something. Unless it was a ZC engine or whatever? I don't know. I have a lot to learn about imports.

damn kids

99-00 Civic SIs come with B16A2 1.6 liter lumps that make 160 hp and non existant torque until you hit VTEC y0

My friend's SI has I/H/E and a LSD tranny and good tires/super light rims, and it runs 15.9s at best with his skills at Famoso

The C series of engines exists in the Honda family, but they are all V6s so they start out at like 2.7L (the C27), the engine in the current NSX is known as the C32B


dude I love it when speedos only go to like 85, my friend's 83 Trans Am is like that, I have a video of the needle bouncing off the guage limiter (we probably got it up to 110), he has an automatic and the 5.0 "crapfire" V8. He also has a posi-lock rear, it's fun drifting it thru intersections =P

Quote: Originally Posted by subdismal SI's? They're B16's, I'm pretty sure. I know they're a 1.6L dual overhead cam. Edit: According to my inside sources (my cousin, who knows a lot about cars), there wasn't a C16. He and I concluded that the SI motor was probably something along the lines of a B16B or something. Unless it was a ZC engine or whatever? I don't know. I have a lot to learn about imports.

Just so you know for future reference, the B16B is the version that comes in the 98-00 Civic Type R in Japan and makes 180 hp and again, no torque til you rev the piss out of it (which is easy to do to 9K and up on stock internals sheesh)

the ZC is a twincam version of the D series engines that also displaces 1.6L and doesn't have VTEC. the 86-89 1st gen Integras have a similar engine to it with less power known as the D16A6. It has a much smaller bore and much longer stroke than the B16 so it's a much torquier engine for it's displacement, and the ZC version makes like 135 hp (its like a 77mm stroke for a B16 and like 93mm stroke for a D16 twincam, don't quote me though that's off the top of my head)

Well, I just got schooled!



Thanks!

Quote: Originally Posted by subdismal Well, I just got schooled! Thanks!

I probably read 8 different magazines in the sport compact/import area religiously every month, lots of tech sites/write ups, have lots of friends in the industry or with the cars so I have some hands on, have taken Auto 1/2 and am in the occupational training class for the second year in a row this year, watch it on TV, read specs for pleasure, and hopefully attending UTI in the fall of 2006.

I've been doing this since I was 10 (I'm 17 now)

I really should have something like an Aut-hoe-motive ranking or something around here (admins are you listening?! =D )

Yeah i always thought they came with b16s but he insisted it was a c16 O.o We all know the H22s are where its at God i hate all of hondas names for their engines

Quote: ...its all stock except for the new dual exhaust and cherry poppers on it (gayest thing EVER)....

What are cherry poppers? I'd Google it, but, umh, uh pr0n...

Cherry Bomb's are one of the oldest and cheapest high performance mufflers around. They are semi-famous for their bright red glass pack mufflers. They usually rust off in a year or so.

My buddy has an early 70's Ford F-250. They transplanted a 490ci motor from a lincoln into it. That thing will smoke all 4 tires off the line. He has some really big mudder tires on it also. They just make it all that much more impressive when those things start howling and chirping. You just really have to be careful of wheel hop, it's the fastest way to twist your driveshaft up in a knot.

yeah, i love the performance, and the soudn is great, but still they die fast. but one thing i dont like is the popping that come with it, thats why i call them cherry poppers, you rev and as soon as compression enters it and u let off the gas, pop, pop, pop, pop. Sometimes it sounds great, sometimes no. But oh well, still a good exhaust system. You should hear it when the 4b's open up O.o

Mott, here is a place or two you may find of intrest.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/ar...0-a/f-53-p-155

http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220

http://www.fordmuscle.com/

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2272

Form what I can tell, your engine is 245 HP stock, but info on it is hard to find, I would guess torque to be in the 385Ft/lb range.

Given that your truck weighs in at over 4000Lbs, I would estimate quarter mile times in the mid to high 16's when new.

Forget that stock speedo "Estimate" too, you would be doing well to break 110MPH in that aerodynamic "Barn Door" of a truck, a slick Mustang with the same engine would easily run over 130MPH.

Most stock speedos are innacurate above 70MPH anyways, since they aren't required to be. Many people say they can hit over 120MPH, but when the radar gun comes out, it more like 110

You might want to replace the stock timing chain with a pre 1973 version, the late model ones retard the cam for emmisions..easy little HP gain done over a weekend

Please note engine from 1971 and earlier are rated with "Gross" horsepower, and cannot be directly compared to engines from 72 and up, they are rated as "net" horsepower.

They tried to make it as real world as possible, using full exhaust sytems, all power accesories, stock air cleaner, slightly different dyno "Standards" for temp and humidity that when combined realy killed the ratings.

Example: 1970 Chevy 350LT-1 with 11 to 1 compression was 360HP, in 1971 they dropped compression to 9 to 1 and rated it at 330HP.

In 1972, the exact same engine with no changes was now rated at 255HP under the new testing standards

Kinda like the difference between your "Gross" and "Net" on your paycheck

460



Produced from 1968 to 1996.
Available in Ford, Mercury and Lincoln

Same as 429, but with longer stroke. (3.85 inch)

During its earlier years, pre 1973, horsepower was rated at 365. After 1972 horsepower ranged from 208 to 275.

Intake/exhaust valves are 2.08/1.66

Intake/exhaust valves for the Police Interceptor 460 heads (from 1973-'74) measure 2.19/1.66

Quote: Originally Posted by Andrevas I really should have something like an Aut-hoe-motive ranking or something around here (admins are you listening?! =D )

The admins are always listening. Ask and ye shall receive. Of course, most people don't ask because of what they may receive.

Quote: Originally Posted by BigAkita The admins are always listening. Ask and ye shall receive. Of course, most people don't ask because of what they may receive.

eh

it's better than nothing I'd say, still makes me cooler than the rest of the slew of PR users

Quote: Originally Posted by BigAkita The admins are always listening. Ask and ye shall receive. Of course, most people don't ask because of what they may receive.

lmao, love the new name

Quote: Originally Posted by $SOLID$ Necro Mott, here is a place or two you may find of intrest. http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/ar...0-a/f-53-p-155 http://www.network54.com/Forum/85220 http://www.fordmuscle.com/ http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2272 Form what I can tell, your engine is 245 HP stock, but info on it is hard to find, I would guess torque to be in the 385Ft/lb range. Given that your truck weighs in at over 4000Lbs, I would estimate quarter mile times in the mid to high 16's when new. Forget that stock speedo "Estimate" too, you would be doing well to break 110MPH in that aerodynamic "Barn Door" of a truck, a slick Mustang with the same engine would easily run over 130MPH. Most stock speedos are innacurate above 70MPH anyways, since they aren't required to be. Many people say they can hit over 120MPH, but when the radar gun comes out, it more like 110 You might want to replace the stock timing chain with a pre 1973 version, the late model ones retard the cam for emmisions..easy little HP gain done over a weekend Please note engine from 1971 and earlier are rated with "Gross" horsepower, and cannot be directly compared to engines from 72 and up, they are rated as "net" horsepower. They tried to make it as real world as possible, using full exhaust sytems, all power accesories, stock air cleaner, slightly different dyno "Standards" for temp and humidity that when combined realy killed the ratings. Example: 1970 Chevy 350LT-1 with 11 to 1 compression was 360HP, in 1971 they dropped compression to 9 to 1 and rated it at 330HP. In 1972, the exact same engine with no changes was now rated at 255HP under the new testing standards Kinda like the difference between your "Gross" and "Net" on your paycheck 460 Produced from 1968 to 1996. Available in Ford, Mercury and Lincoln Same as 429, but with longer stroke. (3.85 inch) During its earlier years, pre 1973, horsepower was rated at 365. After 1972 horsepower ranged from 208 to 275. Intake/exhaust valves are 2.08/1.66 Intake/exhaust valves for the Police Interceptor 460 heads (from 1973-'74) measure 2.19/1.66

thanx for the info, its hard to find some on the 460.

Quote: Originally Posted by mot19 thanx for the info, its hard to find some on the 460.

As far as I know, the 460 is the same block as the 351 Cleveland and Windsor, it just has much larger heads.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andrevas eh it's better than nothing I'd say, still makes me cooler than the rest of the slew of PR users

Sadly, it does. I'm still too afraid to bring it up ever.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cyno01 Sadly, it does. I'm still too afraid to bring it up ever.

Oh no, i just did. I blame my gin and live wire. I love the way ice cubes melt in alcohol...