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Quote: Originally Posted by Digital-World look for my reply by the end of day....researching

Also, microsoftman, try to get in touch and direct pimp_joose and/or godfoot to this thread. I believe they are knowledgeable in this type of stuff.

Personally, I'm a Memphis Audio fan. Their subs whip ass, trust me. www.memphiscaraudio.com . With amps, theirs are great as well, but just remember two main things:

If your sub is rated at 400 watts, don't try to push 900 watts through it. And if you're thinking that because the box says "900 watt amp," think again. Although the industry is starting to enforce truth in these claims by setting more of a "true power rating" standard, 900 watts might just mean the maximum anyone has ever got out of one.

I run a single 12" Kenwood DB Plus with a 400 watt Rockford Fosgate amp. It will just about knock you out of my extended cab Ranger.

Quote: Originally Posted by microsoftman Thanks DigitalWorld, and thanks for the suggestion Erad. I was hoping to get Godfoot's advice but I Think he may have dropped of the web for a while or something.. oh well. I just have all this money and don't know what to buy.

I have a few questions for you...
First a little about me...Godfoot and I spent hours chatting gear...Dj's love audio...all kinds....
We planned a combined project once that he was going to help on...But the project never launched and he since moved away I can't wait for your return GF...fluffys too...

Having worked in the Car Audio field a good many years in my past I think I can help you. I rememver the late 80's buying the early kicker brand boxes. 2 8" woofers and 2 10" passive radiators facing down....Alpine CD player and a Kenwood 1020 amp.....

OLD SKOOL none the less...

I've owned Fosgates, the original BLUE THUNDER MTX speakers ( when they were still blue),JL's,Blaupunkt,Pioneer,Kickers, and the latest is a pair of Audiobahn 15's that pound the trunk in my Caddy...

All were purchased for diff sounds and diff reasons...

you have some very good speakers in the mid to high range.....audio quality must be nice....

And that tells me your into more then BASS...Thank god....

Tell me a few of your fav songs...
What kind of vehicle you are driving...
and what you expect from your sub...

Sooo much easier to recomend with that info....

Sorry about the typing....On the laptop....
Digi

Let me reccomend one amp to you:
Alpine VPower Bass Engine; 400-watt, single channel.

Now, you might be thrown off by the mono sound, but I've been using one of these amps for almost three years now (purchased from Circuit City, right around $300 back then; you could probably get them cheaper now). This amp rocks my socks, really. For the price, you get a lot of adjustable settings and also get a lot of power. With this amp I blew: 4 [sh!tty] Pioneer 10s, two [sh!tty] Sony Xplods, and one [nice] MTX 15. This amp don't play.

I had it pumping two Xplod 10s in the cab of my truck (limited airflow, less bass) the last it was in use. I was pulled over twice for noise violations here in Virginia. One cop complained that his windows were getting rattled, which is the only reason he pulled me over.

Googled this result; that looks very similar to the amp.



I doubt this helped at all, but my audio knowledge [sadly,] is extremely lax. It's a subject I'd like to learn more about, but I just can't seem to stay focused on it. Anyway, if that helped, great. If not, there are plenty of other people here can help you out further.

Thanks for the info....

Let me share with you some thoughts I have based on YOUR responses....
First off....
A single 10 is a very nice subtle addition to most any system.
I am not sure if this is your first Major stereo or not...
But this is just like computer OVERCLOCKING...
Eventually the single 10 won't cut it anymore for you.
Especially playing the likes of Eminem and most rock like NIN or Linkin Park...
Anything with a fast driving bass will get addicting quick... Soon you will be looking for more...
My guess... Maybe a pair of 10's in a sealed enclosure...
Don't get sucked into the plastic/aluminum cone market...ThatÂ’s all just hype...
Pay attention to the rest of the industry...
Most of the best DJ speakers, Stage monitors, High quality home audio....
all use the same thing....REINFORCED PAPER CONES..
Nothing reproduces audio signals better then paper.
Paper is good for Rock because itÂ’s nice and tight...and really slams the bass if itÂ’s matched with a nice phat rubber surround. Air movement is where itÂ’s at in RAP music...But being able to quickly recoil is what you need for rock music...
There are many expensive speakers on the market today. Trust me a myriad of choices....
But honestly bang for the buck... A nice MONO amp and a pair of 10's in a sealed box...Should bang the hell out of your trunk. And the box should be plenty small enough to leave lots of trunk space. You will hear some that will disagree with me, but I really like the Audiobahn gear right now. IÂ’ve used it 3 times over now in several installs. And itÂ’s not the most expensive gear. But it does have SUPERB sound quality and excellent VALUE...
I use two SE15 speakers in my Caddy and the VOLUMES are ear piercing.
The rebound is fast for rock...and the bass capability...WOW.....
Two 10's in nice paper cones...sealed enclosure would really make a nice addition to the clean front and mid stage you already have...Should reproduce nice clean bass and make an impressive sound that you will be satisfied with...
The mono amp and Vinyl speaker enclosure looks pimp too...Especially when you mount the amp to you box....
The price comes in well under your range and it gives you room to grow....
Trust me you'll be in 15's someday and not on purpose...
Just happens over time....
I used to love my 10's...then I got 12's and now 15's
and I love my music as clean and tight as the next guy...




A8000T mono subwoofer amplifier
» 400 watts RMS x 1 at 4 ohms (800 watts RMS x 1 at 2 ohms)
» 50-120 Hz low-pass filter (18 dB/octave)
» variable bass boost (0-18 dB at 50 Hz)
» requires 4-gauge power and ground leads — wiring and hardware not included with amplifier
» preamp inputs and outputs
» 11-5/16"W x 2-5/8"H x 13-1/4"D
» warranty: 1 year

ABB102Q sealed subwoofer enclosure with two 10" subs
» two 10" treated paper woofers with heavy-duty foam surrounds
» frequency response: 24-1,000
» 4-ohm stereo impedance (2 sets of terminals)
» recommended power range: 100-600 watts (300 watts per woofer)
» sensitivity: 98 dB
» 22-3/4"W x 12-7/8"H x 13-3/4"D
» warranty: 1 year

$379.00 complete....

If you really insist on the single 10 then get back to me...Ill show you some options....
But bang for the buck....
based on what you listen too...
This is gonna serve you well...
That box is small at only 22" wide
IMHO
Digi

Yup I can attest to the ear piercing sound pressures, he talks about...yet it is still clean and clear enough for a geiser like me to bounce to...

If you are suggesting Audiobahn, and they make awesome subs and amps, for a budget system i might suggest Hifonics and www.Sounddomain.com (click on store).

Hifonics make a clearer sound for less price, while still maintaing their power. Right now we are finishing to fiberglass boxes to house 2 Infitinty Reference 1032.w's, and they are being pushed by a Hifonics Brutus 1500-d Class D MONO block amp. We actually had to put a switch on the remote line to kill the amp (which it will do safely, btw) because of the level it was pushing at times.

The price of the Brutus (if it is still on Sounddomain) is a little high, but I got mine off ebay for about half that at around $275 shipped.

Te best advice that I can give is that if you ask a "professional" they should give you suggestions, ask what you are looking for and point you in the right direction, NOT tell you that "This Sub and Amp combination WILL kill anything out. How many you want?" or "Those subwoofers WILL NOT fit in that vehicle."\

The next piece of advice is to know that cheaper amps give you less power per Ohm, and the clarity of the signal will be less. Same goes for the subs (although it is hard to tell a good sub with all the names out anymore) - If you can get your hands on the subs that you are deciding behind, the easiest way to tell what kind of sound you are going to get out of the is to gently press in on the cone. If it is very stiff and doesn't really want to move, you are going to get a much cleaner quicker sound, while at the same time if it is loos, you are going to get a much deeper, much "louder" sound.

The last is the most important: Go with what sounds good to YOU, and learn how to set the tuning on your deck to your liking. That way you get only the sound you want, and don't go "Man, I wish this had more XXXX than it does!" everytime you hear it.

PEACE
Tom

Quote: Originally Posted by tombozo If you are suggesting Audiobahn, and they make awesome subs and amps, for a budget system i might suggest Hifonics and www.Sounddomain.com (click on store). Hifonics make a clearer sound for less price, while still maintaing their power. Right now we are finishing to fiberglass boxes to house 2 Infitinty Reference 1032.w's, and they are being pushed by a Hifonics Brutus 1500-d Class D MONO block amp. We actually had to put a switch on the remote line to kill the amp (which it will do safely, btw) because of the level it was pushing at times. The price of the Brutus (if it is still on Sounddomain) is a little high, but I got mine off ebay for about half that at around $275 shipped. Te best advice that I can give is that if you ask a "professional" they should give you suggestions, ask what you are looking for and point you in the right direction, NOT tell you that "This Sub and Amp combination WILL kill anything out. How many you want?" or "Those subwoofers WILL NOT fit in that vehicle."\ The next piece of advice is to know that cheaper amps give you less power per Ohm, and the clarity of the signal will be less. Same goes for the subs (although it is hard to tell a good sub with all the names out anymore) - If you can get your hands on the subs that you are deciding behind, the easiest way to tell what kind of sound you are going to get out of the is to gently press in on the cone. If it is very stiff and doesn't really want to move, you are going to get a much cleaner quicker sound, while at the same time if it is loos, you are going to get a much deeper, much "louder" sound. The last is the most important: Go with what sounds good to YOU, and learn how to set the tuning on your deck to your liking. That way you get only the sound you want, and don't go "Man, I wish this had more XXXX than it does!" everytime you hear it. PEACE Tom

I had a Hifonics amp once...It was hella loud on the power band...
And yes I agree Audiobahn makes good gear for the money....
They aren't the BEST or the TOP OF THE LINE....
But Clarity and Bang for the Buck...
I score them very well...
enough to use them in my own system...
And based on his price range...its why I suggested that...
He could pay more for a single 10' BA or a POLK sub...
and get a small MONO amp to go with it...
But in the end I feel he's just going to end up wanting MORE....
hahaha its a fact it always happens...
10's are faster and tighter then most 12's and way faster then most 15's in recoil....
But it all depends on how you TUNE your system...
Mine is a perfect blend of all the levels of the soundrange...Adjustable for diff volume levels.....
His deck has the capibility of adjusting many more features other then just bass, treble and fader....

Quote: Originally Posted by microsoftman Thank you all for the suggestions. All of you have been very helpful. After reading Tombozo's response, in combination with yours DW, I think I will take a trip to some audio stores around town and try to pinpoint what system I want. If they can hook me up with a good price I'll take it but I'll probably end up coming back to the internet for purchasing. That Audiobahn system sounds good. I guess what I'll do is put together a mix CD of different bass-rich tracks that I listen to and take it to Quality Auto Sound. Thanks to all who have helped. I will let you know how the construction of the box and everything is going if you are interested.

Just be subjective to the fact that most in town stores are OVER PRICED.....and usually only recomend products they sell....
Obviously....
They will tell you that everyone else makes JUNK....
gotta be carefull when shopping out in town..
I prefer reading the reviews....
and trusting the oppinion of others before I listen to any salesperson....
but thats me...
Digi

Quote: Originally Posted by microsoftman Thank you all for the suggestions. All of you have been very helpful. After reading Tombozo's response, in combination with yours DW, I think I will take a trip to some audio stores around town and try to pinpoint what system I want. If they can hook me up with a good price I'll take it but I'll probably end up coming back to the internet for purchasing. That Audiobahn system sounds good. I guess what I'll do is put together a mix CD of different bass-rich tracks that I listen to and take it to Quality Auto Sound. Thanks to all who have helped. I will let you know how the construction of the box and everything is going if you are interested.

Another thing to remember....Speakers always sound different hooked up in the AUDIO shops then they do your trunk...The acoustics of a room versus your cars interior are NO MATCH...Like a good custom paint job....Listen to it in different enviornments.....
Salespeople suck.....

Sorry forgot to add that earlier...

I have to agree with alot of the stuff you've been told. I can tell you from first hand experiance that you will eventually get tired of a single 10" sub. I started my stereo days with a single JL 10" sub and a 200 watt amp. That turned into a pair of JL 10's on a 400 watt amp. And these days I have a pair of Eclipse 10's that I'm running at 1200 watts. I've stuck with the sealed box's and the 10 inch subs throughout all of these changes just because I enjoy the little extra sound quality you get from that style box and the fact that I have had them in the rather small trunk of a VW GTI. Something else these guys haven't mentioned yet and I think a couple of these last car audio threads have missed. You will be truely suprised at how little power it takes to produce alot of volume. The problem is that as you want more and more volume the power requirements to get that extra sound goes up exponentially. When you go from a 600 watt amp up to a 1200 watt amp you don't get twice the volume. It is closer to only 50% extra. So when you go from a factory head units 50 watt output, up to an amp that is pushing 3-400 watts you are going to hear and feel a much larger volume change in your music than if you moved from a 400 watt amp up to say an 800. I paid a good fortune to have that little extra power in my car but it is for bragging rights almost as much as it is for sound output.

Hopefully you'll find something that will suit your style and budget. Once it's installed though, just like everything else, start saving for your next upgrade.

At the end of the day, as long as you are happy with it, isn't that all that really matters?
Good luck with it...

P.S. the pillow stuffing won't help your rap music much...But will make the box tighter and more responsive to rock....
In the end there are so many variables that can make a difference...I guess it can't hurt to try it both ways and see what sounds better.

Through some experimentation the 15's in my trunk are mounted outside the box facing in...and the sound is much better for me that way...

Digi

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Quote: Originally Posted by microsoftman Does it make a difference whether the speakers are facing towards the car or towards the trunk?

Well speaker placement varies by installation....
I could get a little more bass by moving my box with the speakers facing the back of the car...and moving the box to the far back of the trunk....But then I don't have a trunk anymore...It's a compromise I guess....
Cadillacs like mine take heavy modification to install a box that size....
Including cutting out the steel wall behind the seat...Its not a support wall but there for road noise...covered in thick tar paper and carpet....
It doesn't let ANY sound through
So you have to get a sawzall and cut it out....
But when its all said and done...The car has very little vibration noise in the trunk, due to the sound deadening materials applied at the factory...and the box fitting so perfectly tight.....
Overall im extremly satisifed with the install I pulled off...

Quote: Originally Posted by Digital-World I can't wait for your return GF...fluffys too...

Tadaaaa!!! Ask and ye shall receive.......

More to follow now that I am back.

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Just a quick answer on the joints: It doesn't relaly matter how you "join" the pieces together, just as long as they are air-tight in the end (HINT HINT: Silicon adhesive) If you are truly wanting to joint everything together, te easist, quickest way would be rabbets and dados. The dovetail joint would be more airtight, however it is more for looks than anything else. It is strong, but not easy to do.

If you have any questions on the box building, IM or PM me. Just got finished building some fiberglass boxes, so....

Tom

Thanks again for all the help guys. I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that I am going to purchase, hopefully by Friday I will know for sure and by the end of next week I will have it all installed and working.

Tombozo, I would like to take you up on that offer of advice. I appreciate it.

And welcome back Godfoot.

i swear i have a totally different audio philosiphy than everyone else on this site... but ill go ahead and give my opinion even though im sure you will not agree.

audiobahn is trash, i cant stand them. they sound muddy as hell to me, theyre too showy and their power ratings are unrealistic.

the boston sub you had in the first post is a great speaker, its clean and tight. also, im really happy with my setup which is a single 12 inch rockford sub. i never thought i would like rockford but i got a great deal on this one from a friend and it kicks ass, very tight and excellent sound quality. part of that is prob the alpine v power amp.

im a huge boston fan, i have over 3000$ invested in the 4 inside speakers and the headunit (boston pro series in front, boston rallys in back, alpine cda-9833 head, jl audio 300/4 amp to juice the pros [and rallys] cause they crave LOTS of power) and only 500$ in my sub/sub amp, and i love it. wouldnt change a thing. unless you are a huge rap fan, get a single 12 or dual 10's, and throw everything else on the inside and get some real quality and definition. the sub will round it off but unless you want to set off car alarms, go for the quality and tightness of a single 12/dual 10's and you DO NOT need to break the bank on it, its just to round out your high quality interior speakers.

I'll be honest, I do listen to a lot of rap. But I still like the sound of a sealed box more than a vented box, and will probably go with the single 12 or dual 10's as you suggested 4rm4g3dd0n.

ok well in that case... im glad you at least want a sealed box, they sound leagues bettter IMO. i dont know what to tell you then ive never built a system meant to play lots of rap, the other guys here prob have better advice than me for that