http://www.sbcars.net/video/PeterB9_35.mpeg

Ryan Woon doesn't have sh*t on this guy, but at least it will make him get faster hehe

For all those wondering it's a video of a 1998 6 speed Toyota Supra running a 9.35 in the quarter, Ryan's best time to date is like 9.61 in his 6 speed.

Nice video, I have never really been impressed with cars that go fast in a straight line. Overall performance for me!

Holy sh!t! 33lbs of boost!

That's crazy. I'm looking at running 8-9 on my car...but I guess that's the difference between a daily driver and a racer.

The titan motorsports supra runs a 8.9.... I've got the video on my comp, but nowhere to host it....

I thought I smelled rice... hahaha

pretty fast, but I have seen faster.

Quote: Originally Posted by Teranfirbt The titan motorsports supra runs a 8.9.... I've got the video on my comp, but nowhere to host it....

The Titan Motorsport car runs an automatic trans and is stripped out.

I don't know about Peter's 6 speed but Ryan Woon's 6 speed is a full weight (~3800 lbs) street car and runs 9.6s

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4524032804

This rocks!

Quote: Originally Posted by JimsZR2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4524032804 This rocks!

That's neat and all, but where are the fuel injectors? I have nothing against American iron/big V8s, but I just can't stand old tech like carburetors After all doesn't Top Fuel use mechanical fuel injection anyway?

No fuel injectors at all. All the fuel in naturally aspirated through a blower and so on.

*ahem*
its Cavaler, why the hell did he do it to a cavaler. if it has to be an american car why not a vette, firebird or even better... a Viper.

i myself prefer drift racing...

Wow, thats fast. I bet I could do that quarter mile in 5... minutes.

Quote: Originally Posted by JimsZR2 No fuel injectors at all. All the fuel in naturally aspirated through a blower and so on.

You can't have a naturally aspirated car if you have a blower which means you have forced induction. You can't have both on one engine.

Fuel injectors are superior to carburetors in just about every way. I mean hell, I made the comment because if you are going to spend that much money on dropping that engine into a Cavalier, you think you could afford even the most basic aftermarket fuel injection setup.

Oh and Triple8, drifting is not racing, it's all judged on style like ice skating. The fastest way around a corner is to grip.

Yep, drift is a pretty boy sport.... Real racing takes a lot of practice, a lot of knowing the course, and of course, you have to grip the road to do it properly.. Drift is just too unstable to be used as a viable racing technique...
(Think about it this way, if drift was faster, then *All* the major types of sanctioned racing would be using drift..)

Quote: Originally Posted by Andrevas You can't have a naturally aspirated car if you have a blower which means you have forced induction. You can't have both on one engine. Fuel injectors are superior to carburetors in just about every way. I mean hell, I made the comment because if you are going to spend that much money on dropping that engine into a Cavalier, you think you could afford even the most basic aftermarket fuel injection setup. Oh and Triple8, drifting is not racing, it's all judged on style like ice skating. The fastest way around a corner is to grip.

Umm, there is no blower on that car. There is (from top to bottom) a scoop, 2 carb's, then a tunnel ram intake, so it is infact a NA car.

Furthermore, I would have to disagree with your about fuel injection being better than a carburetor. Fuel injected cars are one helluva pain to work on compared to a carbureted car. In my 96 Blazer I can not even see the valvue covers due to the massive amount of wires on the truch, but on my '67 Fury I can see the valvue covers, intake, basically the entire engine because it only has a handfull of wires. Finally, perhaps the best way to look it is this, say there is something wrong with your fuel injected car and it won't start. It cranks fine, but does not start up. Normally in a condition like this there are three things that need to be checked, fuel, spart, compression. We will go with the assumption that there is compression because it is a pretty decent assumption. That leaves us with fuel and spark. Spark is not really all that hard to check on a fuel injected car, just pull a plug wire and stick a screwdriver in it, visually check it. Next is fuel, I really don't know a good way to check if you are getting fuel to the cylinders though, with a carburetor you can just smell it or manually press the throttle from the engine compartment and see the fuel spray from the accelerator pump nozzels. Now there are plently more reasons why a carburetor is better that I would be more than willing to type out if you would like to hear them.

I will have to agree with you on one point though, drifting is not a sport. Personally I think drifting is for retards.

Quote: Originally Posted by demonstalker Umm, there is no blower on that car. There is (from top to bottom) a scoop, 2 carb's, then a tunnel ram intake, so it is infact a NA car. Furthermore, I would have to disagree with your about fuel injection being better than a carburetor. Fuel injected cars are one helluva pain to work on compared to a carbureted car. In my 96 Blazer I can not even see the valvue covers due to the massive amount of wires on the truch, but on my '67 Fury I can see the valvue covers, intake, basically the entire engine because it only has a handfull of wires. Finally, perhaps the best way to look it is this, say there is something wrong with your fuel injected car and it won't start. It cranks fine, but does not start up. Normally in a condition like this there are three things that need to be checked, fuel, spart, compression. We will go with the assumption that there is compression because it is a pretty decent assumption. That leaves us with fuel and spark. Spark is not really all that hard to check on a fuel injected car, just pull a plug wire and stick a screwdriver in it, visually check it. Next is fuel, I really don't know a good way to check if you are getting fuel to the cylinders though, with a carburetor you can just smell it or manually press the throttle from the engine compartment and see the fuel spray from the accelerator pump nozzels. Now there are plently more reasons why a carburetor is better that I would be more than willing to type out if you would like to hear them. I will have to agree with you on one point though, drifting is not a sport. Personally I think drifting is for retards.

JimsZR2 mentioned blower and NA for the same car, and I corrected him.

If carburetors were so great, then we'd all be using them. Yes, they may be easier to work on, but that is their only advantage from my POV. From a performance POV, fuel injection allows an even more precise metering of fuel than carburetors can dream about. This greater control allows for more power and better fuel economy. Backyard mechanics are a thing of the past and it's time to let go of this ancient technology. Fuel injection has been around for a long time, yes, but with electronic fuel injection the ability to switch fuel maps and compensate for increased airflow without changing the AFR set in the fuel map makes fuel injection the way to go. Maybe if you took the time to learn how to work on a fuel injected car without getting so frustrated you wouldn't be so defensive of carburetors.

And as I mentioned, carburetors make forced induction a PITA, hence why Top Fuel and Funny Car NHRA classes use mechanical fuel injection. Hell, a lot of the race teams would like to see EMSs allowed in NHRA.

Oh, and reading your post it seems like you would be the American cars rule/imports suck type of guy. I'm sorry if a bunch of riced out Civics made you biased to that level, but there is nothing wrong with them.

American Cars and trucks = POWER

Ricers, Add a few decals and an ignorant wing on the back plus a 10" fart pipe = Looks fast.

Carburetors can be 10 times better than Fuel injected if tuned in right. Tell me why GM uses a Carb on the new ZZ572 engine? That sucker pumps out 600 HP and 1000 TQ on pump gas.

Quote: Originally Posted by JimsZR2 American Cars and trucks = POWER Ricers, Add a few decals and an ignorant wing on the back plus a 10" fart pipe = Looks fast. Carburetors can be 10 times better than Fuel injected if tuned in right. Tell me why GM uses a Carb on the new ZZ572 engine? That sucker pumps out 600 HP and 1000 TQ on pump gas.

Where did you get the 1000 torque from? Thought it was 650? ....

ooops, My mistake!

There are 2 ZZ572 versions

a 620 HP/650 TQ and a 720 HP/685 TQ

Quote: Originally Posted by JimsZR2 ooops, My mistake! There are 2 ZZ572 versions a 620 HP/650 TQ and a 720 HP/685 TQ

Sick motors either way. 1000 Ft LBS of TQ qould just be to much street power. We have a local drag spot near my house where we get hundreds of kids every Friday and Saturday night racing the streets. I remember one particular night a kid came down to dunkin donuts with his recently tuned and dyno'd Mk3 Supra. He walked up to one of my buddies who has a 1300 Wheel horse power saleen mustang (Twin Turbo 351 cleveland, exhaust straight off the waste gates). The kid obviously didn't know this because he offered to race him for 200 dollars. Needless to say I had seen my friends car on the track the day before and with street tires it ran a 8.92 . He pulled the kids by 3 car lengths. When the kid came back he was almost in tears, he showed me his dyno sheet it 730 horse without the NOS. Quite funny...

Quote: Originally Posted by JimsZR2 American Cars and trucks = POWER Ricers, Add a few decals and an ignorant wing on the back plus a 10" fart pipe = Looks fast. Carburetors can be 10 times better than Fuel injected if tuned in right. Tell me why GM uses a Carb on the new ZZ572 engine? That sucker pumps out 600 HP and 1000 TQ on pump gas.

Those are crate motors, not production car engines.

Just look at the LS7, that is one hell of an engine.

Oh, you can have a 1st gen DSM in the low 13 second range for 3 grand (that's including the cost of the car)

Rice can also be found with American cars anyway, there is a conciderable amount of riced out Mustangs, Escorts, Camaros, etc. here in town. There even is a C5 Vette with the riciest wing I have ever seen on it.

I think classifying Peter Blach's car as rice isn't needed as it has a full 4" turboback exhaust (negating the big fart can), puts out over 1000 rwhp, and looks stock (except for the headlight being taken out for drag racing to get more air to the turbo)

Once Ryan gets his setup tuned better he should be running well in the low 9 range. He also negates a fart can with his custom made 5" turboback