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Old 16-June-03, 07:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Post Crossover WS-5 Mission II Water Cooling Kit Rview

We have a new review up by yours truly on the Crossover WS-5 Mission II water cooling kit. The kit was definitely impressive.

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Old 16-June-03, 08:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Great review GK.

Couple points:

1. in the opening sentence, you mis-spelled "insanely"

2. This is worthy of some debate:


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They also suggest that you hook the radiator up so that the air inside the case is exhausted through the radiator. What this means is that you will be using the warm air inside the case to cool the water going through the radiator. This is definitely a point I disagreed with. I chose to hook up the radiator differently. I have the hardware in the order of: Outside of Case ==> Case ==> 80mm Fan ==> Radiator ==> 80mm Fan ==> Case Insides. This order will allow for fresh, cooler air outside the case to pass through the radiator to allow for better cooling.

I disagree with you on this point.

You will fight to remove heat from your CPU, yet turn around and dump all that heat back into the system. If you are purely trying to cool the CPU, you are absolutely correct ...... but I think we all agree that no-one is out to cool the CPU alone!

Most of us have very good case airflow, and would seldom have case temps greater than 4-5 degrees Celsius above ambient, so the slightly increased temp of using case air to cool the rad would be minimal.

The ideal situation would be rad and fan external to the case.

The next best would be rad and fan ducted with air flow isolated from case air flow (my preferred choice, and the one I currently use).

The next best, rad and fan as exhaust. Slightly warmer case air is used to cool the rad, but heat permanently leaves the system.

Dead last, the rad and fan as intake. Cool air hits the rad, but all the heat is dumped back into the case.

My 2 cents.

Edit - did you get my e-mail about 3 weeks ago about an article?
Just wondering, as I never heard anything from you.
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Old 16-June-03, 08:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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well i duno, by going throught that heatercore, i dotn thing the temperature increases that much, and basically there whole prupose of watercooling is to cool a specific part....cpu for example

it still ads up...u move the heatercore to the back, then the heatercore would be cooled with hot air from the system...making cpu run hot

or you can cool heatercore, but then ur system gets hot

i duno ....good review btw
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Old 16-June-03, 08:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The front page link for the WC kit is linking to the black light review BTW
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Old 17-June-03, 06:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Like ClowN said. It deoends on your focus. With the two fans runnin as intake through the Radiator, the air doesn't get heated THAT much to really cause a ehat issue with the otehr system components. I just wanted to make sure that the CPU was getting the best possible cooling. I notice the more I overclock, the less I focus on other parts and the more I focus on the CPU itself.

DOH! Can;t believe I missed that spelling... that sure is a blow to the ego.
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Old 17-June-03, 11:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I seldom disagree with you putwig. But I will on this point. Granted external or ducted air flow is by far the best choice. I tinker a lot with my set-up. Split lines, parallel lines, series, push fans, pull fans etc. I've tried both intake and exhaust methods on two raiators. And pulling cool air in gives me the best result. At first glance I would not have thought that would be the case.

Pulling air in versus out barely raises my case temp. Maybe 1 degree C, hardly enough to measure. Yet my cpu idle and load temps are both 2-3 degrees cooler in this config. And recovery time from load back to idle temp is much faster. After all you're not going to have any more heat in your case than that generated by a air powered hsf.

I'm not saying this is universally true. A top mount radiator, or lack of extra ventilation might show much different results. But in my case the overall results are much better using intake on the radiator. And positive pressure in the case.
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Old 18-June-03, 03:28 AM   #7 (permalink)
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A few informations for the article's author.

The push connectors used in the system are similar to the pneumatic system connectors by Legris.
The pump seems to be the L20 by Italian aquarium supplier Hydor . You can find its technical specifications here .
Both are widely used in the German water cooling scene.

Concerning the upward pointing elbows on the CPU-block: Normally, you are able to turn these elbows 360 degrees. Maybe they are stuck on something?

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Old 20-June-03, 12:17 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Out of curiosity, how loud does this system run? I'd like to install it, but I've already had to move one computer into the basement because of noise and I'd rather not have to do that again.
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Old 25-June-03, 06:08 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Something else to consider when mounting the radiator/fan is that most of the CPU heat is not being dumped into the case, so the air in the case should be cooler than a traditional air cooled setup.
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Old 25-June-03, 06:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I agree with Putwig
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Old 25-June-03, 06:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I am getting frustrated over this new sig problem
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Old 25-June-03, 07:06 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Did this work now!?! God I feel like a fraggin noob
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Old 03-July-03, 06:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The system is really quiet. As loud as the 80mm fans you use. The quieter the fans, the quieter the system.
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Old 07-July-03, 06:08 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I was wondering about the noise too

If I understand your answer, then the pump is silent (or at least less noisy than any fans)
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Old 07-July-03, 03:44 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm already using a silent power supply, hard drive, and fans. Right now, the only noise comes from the optical drives, but the heat is on the high side (45C). Maybe I'll give this a try.
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