AntiM has a new review up on some slick (pun intended) PC coolant for you water cooling pimps out there. Hmmm, this is actually the first coolant that I have considered using over my own, windshield washer/distilled water mix.


Check it out here.

Good review as always AntiM I saw this stuff at www.crazypc.com and www.frozencpu.com a couple weeks ago. Quick question I might have missed it but how often should this be changed?

IMHO, this is a textbook review. It starts off with a very solid review, which would normally be enough. The follow-up with both the supplier and the manufacturer, as well as their response and the second round of tests make it top-notch.

I think that in addition to VoyeurMods and PrimoChill, some pimp hats need to go out to AntiM:

Quote: The description for PCIce was also revised to reflect PimpRig's initial testing: "PC ICE is a revolutionary development in liquid cooling. Specially formulated to improve todayÂ’s most advanced PC cooling systems. PC ICE overcomes the shortcomings of competitive fluids available on the market today. Testing has revealed that PC ICE is capable of staying within 2C* of standard water, while maintaining its non-conductive nature as well as lubricating properties. This product was designed to give you all the benefits of water-cooling with out the risks involved. PC ICE is specially formulated with lubricating properties to increase pump life and contains corrosive inhibiting ingredients to cut down on internal build up and galvanic corrosion. PC ICE is safe on all plastic, rubber and miscellaneous gasket materials as well as Non-Toxic, biodegradable and environmentally safe. PC ICE is formulated for high flow pumps and is not prone to mechanical sheering. It is as clear and acceptable to use with color adding dye for aesthetic purposes. PC ICE has a 3 year shelf life, is non-conductive and has a freeze point below -60F. *Test results were in a temperature control environment and are averages. PrimoChill does not guarantee that you will have the same results."

The bold letters are a fine example of what a great company they are, and that is why I still countinue to shop on there site. There is nothing worse to me then a description of a product that is a lie. Water cooling is already a tough subject for some people to understand all the performance properties of, so we don't need manufactuers lieing about it, and confusing the uneducated public. My hat is off to Voyeur Mods for correcting there stuff and making it right.

the PrimoChill seems to be conductive even without being polluted see the tests done by this review here: http://www.thinkcomputers.org/v2/ind...&id=281&page=5

Quote: Hmm... ThatÂ’s not supposed to happen.. Here we can see that the PC Ice is INDEED conductive, now it is not AS conductive as water, if you look at the pics you can see the LEDs lit by the PC Ice are not as bright as the LEDs lit by water, but still, it is advertised as NON-CONDUCTIVE. Now in my system, directly under the CPU block is my 7800GTX video card, now if I spring a leak I think that the PC Ice will cause my card to fry, what do you think? Would you bet your system on that?

Even if it is conductive, distlled water isn't, but that's only in pure form. I'd bet that after a week or two of running distilled water that it's gathered enough ions to be conductive.

Great review AntiM. I'll pick some up when I change my coolant.

I have 3 spare bottles and I ran a bottle of this stuff before I broke down my system for serious upgrades. One thing I can tell you for sure- it really helps when putting together stubborn plastic elbows! I had a little spill I wiped up with a rag, then used to rag to "moisten" my plastic hardware before pushing the tubes on and they go together a million times easier. No more blisters for me!

Quote: Originally Posted by jmke the PrimoChill seems to be conductive even without being polluted see the tests done by this review here: http://www.thinkcomputers.org/v2/ind...&id=281&page=5

I think this reviewer tried to hard to find something wrong...Even the best De-Ionized water will conduct a slight amount of voltage...enough to light a few weak a$$ led's anyway...I use the stuff..No problems....even had it leak on my bios chip once when unhooking a hose for maintence...System powered up just fine....
I am more apt to believe my own experience and the words of our own water pimp over a review at thinkcomputers.

Besides did you see the video of this stuff being poured on a LIVE RUNNING system?

check that...

http://www.voyeurmods.com/ice/pciceelectric.wmv

Quote: Originally Posted by Digital-World Besides did you see the video of this stuff being poured on a LIVE RUNNING system? check that... http://www.voyeurmods.com/ice/pciceelectric.wmv

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Quote: Originally Posted by jmke the PrimoChill seems to be conductive even without being polluted see the tests done by this review here: http://www.thinkcomputers.org/v2/ind...&id=281&page=5

I saw that review prior to posting ours. It looks like the used teh old forumula which had some ugly dye which may have accounted for the conductivity. Plus while I am sure their site does their homework I cannot really comment on their method of testing since I wasn't present when they did it. There could be all sorts of reasons for a borderline false positive in their tests. I also much prefer AntiM's analogue meter over a little digital one. In the end I totally trust AntiM's abilities and would have to stand by his opinions 100%.

Quote: Originally Posted by GlitterKill I saw that review prior to posting ours. It looks like the used teh old forumula which had some ugly dye which may have accounted for the conductivity. Plus while I am sure their site does their homework I cannot really comment on their method of testing since I wasn't present when they did it. There could be all sorts of reasons for a borderline false positive in their tests. I also much prefer AntiM's analogue meter over a little digital one. In the end I totally trust AntiM's abilities and would have to stand by his opinions 100%.

Well said GK....

The voltage needed to dimly light an led is by far not a realistic test of conductivity. I think the video speaks for itself.

Im sure the Thinkcomputer reviewer meant well...and did find a tiny loop hole in the non-conductive fluid arena. I bet if he tested regular de-ionized water, MCT , or Fluid XP the results would be similar. Not to be insultive but they all conduct a trace amount. The key is they dont conduct enough to cause system failure. Unless of course you completely submerged the computer in them and subjected it to really high voltage. I stuck a 110 volt cord in a bowl full of this fluid...directly plugged into the wall...NO SHORT...NOT DEATH.....nothing.
As far as I am concerned its as non-conductive as it needs to be for my taste...
Good Review Anti-M
As you had mentioned...I have had a little better result with the temps on the fluid...but I am using a slower to heat up INTEL platform...over that smoking 1700 you got

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Hi guys...

I thought I would jump inhere as I am the reviewer in question in some of these posts...

What exactly did I do wrong?

I kept a clean area and controlled what was going on while I was testing..

The point i was trying to make was that it is advertised as being non-conductive, to me that doesn't mean it will conduct some electricty, it means it is non conductive period..

While nothing is truly non-conductive there are some things that are very close to it, take the HFE-7100 I used in the test, it was and is non-conductive to the extent that you can submerge an entire computer in it and nothing will happen... I have had my entire system dump onto my video card from a hose that came loose from my CPU block, the system was filled with HFE-7100, nothing at all happened..

Personally after doing the tests I did on PC ICE I would not trust something like that to happen with it, I honestly believe that the PC ICE is conductive enough to destroy/damage my system if something similar were to happen while using it.

Someone mentioned about the voltage needed to light a few "weaka$$" leds anyway.. why didn't the HFE fluid do it then? Because it is NON-CONDUCTIVE..

I believe if you advertise something as non-conductive, it should not conduct electricity, am I wrong in my belief of truth in advertising?

And yes the PC Ice did cool my system very close to what my water/antifreeze mixture did, and I noted that in the review.

Quote: Originally Posted by dracos Hi guys... I thought I would jump inhere as I am the reviewer in question in some of these posts... What exactly did I do wrong? I kept a clean area and controlled what was going on while I was testing.. The point i was trying to make was that it is advertised as being non-conductive, to me that doesn't mean it will conduct some electricty, it means it is non conductive period.. While nothing is truly non-conductive there are some things that are very close to it, take the HFE-7100 I used in the test, it was and is non-conductive to the extent that you can submerge an entire computer in it and nothing will happen... I have had my entire system dump onto my video card from a hose that came loose from my CPU block, the system was filled with HFE-7100, nothing at all happened.. Personally after doing the tests I did on PC ICE I would not trust something like that to happen with it, I honestly believe that the PC ICE is conductive enough to destroy/damage my system if something similar were to happen while using it. Someone mentioned about the voltage needed to light a few "weaka$$" leds anyway.. why didn't the HFE fluid do it then? Because it is NON-CONDUCTIVE.. I believe if you advertise something as non-conductive, it should not conduct electricity, am I wrong in my belief of truth in advertising? And yes the PC Ice did cool my system very close to what my water/antifreeze mixture did, and I noted that in the review.

I think the video says it all....However...No one is saying that you didnÂ’t do a thorough review...All we are saying is that the representation was a little off....
I am sure if you tested De-Ionized water and some other fluids that donÂ’t cost $259.00 dollars for a gallon like the other fluid you would find equal results...
How can I stick a 110 volts outlet in the fluid with no problem...?
I also tried duplicating your testing just to see if it holds up...And only when I tried to put 14volts into the bowl did my 1.5 volt LED light up....
12 volt and 4 volt accessories would not light or spin etc....
So yes...It is not 100% non-conductive....but its good enough....as I mentioned earlier...sure its not a submersible style fluid like the 3m stuff you use...but it was designed for internal liquid cooling...not submerssive cooling. The price difference should explain that.

Not to mention....Non toxic and biodegradable....
According to the 3m Hazmat sheet for HFE-7100 you can't even breathe the stuff let alone spill it and get it on your skin.
Everything has its weaknesses bro....
I really wish you would test some De-Ionized water and some other fluids....Like MCT and Fluid XP...
you might find that they all claim the same and perform the same...

Not to just be so defensive of the fluid...but you seem to be the only one that doesn't like the fluid.
I am much more inclined to go by the words of our resident water pimp....
PERIOD.
Maybe you could test a lil more and see what happens with it.
Digi
Still using the fluid myself and loving it.
I would be more then willing to pour some all over the inside of my case and take a video if that would get you the proof you need.
Assuming the video isnÂ’t enough.

Too bad I dont know how to do the electric slide..

I was waiting for you to pour the whole bottle over the entire system..

"Testing has revealed that PC ICE is capable of staying within 2C* of standard water, while maintaining its non-conductive nature as well as lubricating properties."

Revised marketing hype. Quoting a relative temperature is meaningless without the conditions under which the numbers were obtained. Are they referring to Anti's testing or their own?

The question of nonconductivity isn't whether it's nonconductive out of the bottle, but if it will become conductive due to an accumulation of foreign matter in the spilled liquid before you detect it. Kudos to Anti for including this important aspect in the testing. I know I don't really even open my case unless something's amiss....

Why don't companies who sell this stuff provide the MSDS / physical properties data, or at least a contact to the manufacturer for their products, so that at least the reviewers can have and post it?

In the end I guess the question between expensive nonconductive fluid or cheap homebrew comes down to: Raid0 or Raid1?

Quote: Originally Posted by dracos Hi guys... I thought I would jump inhere as I am the reviewer in question in some of these posts... What exactly did I do wrong? I kept a clean area and controlled what was going on while I was testing.. The point i was trying to make was that it is advertised as being non-conductive, to me that doesn't mean it will conduct some electricty, it means it is non conductive period.. While nothing is truly non-conductive there are some things that are very close to it, take the HFE-7100 I used in the test, it was and is non-conductive to the extent that you can submerge an entire computer in it and nothing will happen... I have had my entire system dump onto my video card from a hose that came loose from my CPU block, the system was filled with HFE-7100, nothing at all happened.. Personally after doing the tests I did on PC ICE I would not trust something like that to happen with it, I honestly believe that the PC ICE is conductive enough to destroy/damage my system if something similar were to happen while using it. Someone mentioned about the voltage needed to light a few "weaka$$" leds anyway.. why didn't the HFE fluid do it then? Because it is NON-CONDUCTIVE.. I believe if you advertise something as non-conductive, it should not conduct electricity, am I wrong in my belief of truth in advertising? And yes the PC Ice did cool my system very close to what my water/antifreeze mixture did, and I noted that in the review.

Were you using the old batch of fluid? You may want to contact them to do a second run of the revised fluid.

i didn't know there were different batches till I saw this post here...
Aron from Voyeurmods was supposed to call me but still hasn't, to discuss my review..

How can I tell if I have the old or the new stuff? I would assume it was the old stuff as I received it a little while ago..

The older stuff was cloudy where the newer batch is clear. Check through AntiM's review to see the difference on the 3rd page.

I'm looking at the bottle now, it is not quite as cloudy as the Blue in his review, and there is no sediment. It is semi-clear... If you go to my review you can see good pictures of the bottle..... tell me your opinion of it, after you look at my pictures..