Whao this isn't cool

Sk8forMaple · 15-January-03, 04:22 PM

Well guys i have an issue (wow its been a long time since i've had an actual computer issue lol) I think my PSU is gone but i'm not sure. I disconnected everything to organize wires and when i hooked everything back up to the motherboard, Stuff turned on for like a seconded and then shut off. Kinda like you would see a capacitor discharging.Everything is hooked up correctly. But it won't start. Is this a PSU symptom or my stupidity in connecting my rig up. My motherboard's manual isn't very clear on how stuff is supposed to connected. Now that i look at it.. it seems like there is a short somewhere but i'm not sure. I need insight

Thanks guys
Sk8

Wixx · 15-January-03, 04:31 PM

This can happen if the PWR_GOOD signal isn't asserted within the allowable timeframe. Most likely this is due to a short somewhere--check to make sure no wires are crossed, and the motherboard isn't grounding out on the case. Reseat all cards, processors, and memory sticks.

Sk8forMaple · 15-January-03, 04:39 PM

alright... i'm give it a shot

thanks wixx

Coelacanth · 15-January-03, 04:43 PM

If you have the time, take the mobo out of the case (this will eliminate a bad mobo ground as a possible suspect) and with just a vidcard inserted (of course, RAM, CPU/HSF, PSU & drives connected) with the mobo placed on a cardboard box (i.e. your mobo box), see if it'll boot up. If so, then there was a short having something to do with the mounting of the mobo in the case. If not, do you see a power-on light on the mobo? Do you hear any error beeps? Or is it totally dead?

Sk8forMaple · 15-January-03, 04:53 PM

totally dead.. this is a weakass ECS k7s5a so i don't have a power-on light. A couple of minutes ago stuff would start up for a second and then shut off.. now everything is totally dead. I'll try the cardboard box thing when i get home from work. this is really upsetting

i feel like a total noob right now lol

TiDude · 15-January-03, 05:16 PM

Try out another psu and tell me what happens

Sk8forMaple · 15-January-03, 05:38 PM

here is my plan.. i'm going to take everything out of my case and then rebuild it. that is the only solution i can think of right now. I haven't tried the other PSU idea because i don't have another PSU that fits my mobo sooooooooo i'm going to try that. If that doesn't work then i guess i'm going to look for a new PSU

lcpiper · 15-January-03, 07:13 PM

Who remembers which pins to short on the mobo connector in order to power it up without being connected to anything else ?

This could really help him check the PSU quickly and pretty painlessly.

Edit: BTW, it can be pretty easy to connect the laed and switch wires to the mobo header wrong. If a guy ran an LED wire and accidently got it connected to two "Hot" pins on the header, well, I bet the mobo wouldn't like that at all. The only questions is which would stop working first, the PSU, the Mobo, or the LED.

cpufreak · 15-January-03, 08:11 PM

Here you are

BigAkita · 15-January-03, 08:15 PM

Green and ground (any black).

Sk8forMaple · 16-January-03, 12:38 AM

sweet thanks. I'm gunna check that out now lol

Sk8forMaple · 16-January-03, 12:54 AM

well i found the problem
its my PSU is shot. I can hear a little zap.. but the fan doesn't start up or anything.. soo its gone. looks like i have a to find a new PSU

Buzz_4_20 · 16-January-03, 12:58 AM

This is a silly suggestion, but have you checked the voltage switch on the back to make sure it's set for you AC input.

Sk8forMaple · 16-January-03, 01:15 AM

yes i did lol Its set right lol

scapegoat · 16-January-03, 01:22 AM

Sk8, i think i got an extra 250 or 300W(maybe 350, gotta check) laying round here that id be glad to send ya , if that would tide ya over untill you can dget a new one ^_^

Sk8forMaple · 17-January-03, 02:41 AM

Well.. I got a PSU and it works.. Now here is my problem. I start the computer.. and i get no post. everything else turns on (i.e. fans and the keyboard lights light up for a second.) But nothing shows up on the monitor and if i try to turn on caps or something nothing happens. I can't even turn the computer off with the switch. I need a solution... throw one at me

Sk8

Edit: forgot to mention that it is a 250 watts psu. Could that be it?

BigAkita · 17-January-03, 02:58 AM

You can't be serious. If you are not, that was pretty funny. If you were, have you ever heard of a computer called "Apple"?

Sk8forMaple · 17-January-03, 03:08 AM

Akita, unforunately i am.. The guy i live across the street from said he had a 300 watts PSU laying around his store (odd thing is he's blind, his cousin does all the technical stuff) and he gave it to me.. but.. its not 300 its 250. I think i'm just gunna order a 480 watt off newegg (damn i hate this laptop)

i hate this shot PSU crap

BigAkita · 17-January-03, 03:13 AM

Good call, Sk8. Get a good psu, you can use it in the future with other mods. Processor and ram technology advances quickly, but if you get a good PSU it will last you through several upgrades.

HoJo · 17-January-03, 03:17 AM

Sk8, I just saw in another thread that you are using toggle swithes for power and reset. That is the wrong type of switch. The switches you need to use are momentary switches. The contacts are only closed when you push the button and open when you let go.

15-January-03, 04:22 PM		#1 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	Whao this isn't cool Well guys i have an issue (wow its been a long time since i've had an actual computer issue lol) I think my PSU is gone but i'm not sure. I disconnected everything to organize wires and when i hooked everything back up to the motherboard, Stuff turned on for like a seconded and then shut off. Kinda like you would see a capacitor discharging.Everything is hooked up correctly. But it won't start. Is this a PSU symptom or my stupidity in connecting my rig up. My motherboard's manual isn't very clear on how stuff is supposed to connected. Now that i look at it.. it seems like there is a short somewhere but i'm not sure. I need insight Thanks guys Sk8

15-January-03, 08:11 PM		#9 (permalink)
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15-January-03, 04:31 PM		#2 (permalink)
Wixx Modd-God	This can happen if the PWR_GOOD signal isn't asserted within the allowable timeframe. Most likely this is due to a short somewhere--check to make sure no wires are crossed, and the motherboard isn't grounding out on the case. Reseat all cards, processors, and memory sticks.

15-January-03, 04:39 PM		#3 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	alright... i'm give it a shot thanks wixx

15-January-03, 04:43 PM		#4 (permalink)
Coelacanth Apex Tech God	If you have the time, take the mobo out of the case (this will eliminate a bad mobo ground as a possible suspect) and with just a vidcard inserted (of course, RAM, CPU/HSF, PSU & drives connected) with the mobo placed on a cardboard box (i.e. your mobo box), see if it'll boot up. If so, then there was a short having something to do with the mounting of the mobo in the case. If not, do you see a power-on light on the mobo? Do you hear any error beeps? Or is it totally dead?

15-January-03, 04:53 PM		#5 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	totally dead.. this is a weakass ECS k7s5a so i don't have a power-on light. A couple of minutes ago stuff would start up for a second and then shut off.. now everything is totally dead. I'll try the cardboard box thing when i get home from work. this is really upsetting i feel like a total noob right now lol

15-January-03, 05:16 PM		#6 (permalink)
TiDude Banned	Try out another psu and tell me what happens

15-January-03, 05:38 PM		#7 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	here is my plan.. i'm going to take everything out of my case and then rebuild it. that is the only solution i can think of right now. I haven't tried the other PSU idea because i don't have another PSU that fits my mobo sooooooooo i'm going to try that. If that doesn't work then i guess i'm going to look for a new PSU

15-January-03, 07:13 PM		#8 (permalink)
lcpiper H2-Hoe	Who remembers which pins to short on the mobo connector in order to power it up without being connected to anything else ? This could really help him check the PSU quickly and pretty painlessly. Edit: BTW, it can be pretty easy to connect the laed and switch wires to the mobo header wrong. If a guy ran an LED wire and accidently got it connected to two "Hot" pins on the header, well, I bet the mobo wouldn't like that at all. The only questions is which would stop working first, the PSU, the Mobo, or the LED.

15-January-03, 08:15 PM		#10 (permalink)
BigAkita n00b-ass reviewer	Green and ground (any black).

16-January-03, 12:38 AM		#11 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	sweet thanks. I'm gunna check that out now lol

16-January-03, 12:54 AM		#12 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	well i found the problem its my PSU is shot. I can hear a little zap.. but the fan doesn't start up or anything.. soo its gone. looks like i have a to find a new PSU

16-January-03, 12:58 AM		#13 (permalink)
Buzz_4_20 Apex Elite Tech	This is a silly suggestion, but have you checked the voltage switch on the back to make sure it's set for you AC input.

16-January-03, 01:15 AM		#14 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	yes i did lol Its set right lol

16-January-03, 01:22 AM		#15 (permalink)
scapegoat Apex Tech God	Sk8, i think i got an extra 250 or 300W(maybe 350, gotta check) laying round here that id be glad to send ya , if that would tide ya over untill you can dget a new one ^_^

17-January-03, 02:41 AM		#16 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	Well.. I got a PSU and it works.. Now here is my problem. I start the computer.. and i get no post. everything else turns on (i.e. fans and the keyboard lights light up for a second.) But nothing shows up on the monitor and if i try to turn on caps or something nothing happens. I can't even turn the computer off with the switch. I need a solution... throw one at me Sk8 Edit: forgot to mention that it is a 250 watts psu. Could that be it?

17-January-03, 02:58 AM		#17 (permalink)
BigAkita n00b-ass reviewer	You can't be serious. If you are not, that was pretty funny. If you were, have you ever heard of a computer called "Apple"?

17-January-03, 03:08 AM		#18 (permalink)
Sk8forMaple Apex Elite Tech	Akita, unforunately i am.. The guy i live across the street from said he had a 300 watts PSU laying around his store (odd thing is he's blind, his cousin does all the technical stuff) and he gave it to me.. but.. its not 300 its 250. I think i'm just gunna order a 480 watt off newegg (damn i hate this laptop) i hate this shot PSU crap

17-January-03, 03:13 AM		#19 (permalink)
BigAkita n00b-ass reviewer	Good call, Sk8. Get a good psu, you can use it in the future with other mods. Processor and ram technology advances quickly, but if you get a good PSU it will last you through several upgrades.

17-January-03, 03:17 AM		#20 (permalink)
HoJo Review Pimp, but still Jo's Ho	Sk8, I just saw in another thread that you are using toggle swithes for power and reset. That is the wrong type of switch. The switches you need to use are momentary switches. The contacts are only closed when you push the button and open when you let go.