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Old 24-November-07, 12:19 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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Default Bad RAM (how much a problem is this going to be)

So I've been winding my E6750 up. Got it seemingly nice and stable at 3.2. (FSB 400, DDR2-800).

However, as I'm benching today, SuperPi keeps hanging. Finally I get it through and make a note to run Memtest86.

So I get the latest Memtest86 (3.something), and it keeps bombing about 13% of the way through test 3.

The error is so consistent, and the message so bizarre (basically suggesting an error somewhere in the lower 2Gb of address space, real useful), that I figure "maybe the disc was bad".

I try Memtest86+ 1.70.

I start getting a lot of errors, mostly tests 5, 6, and 7.

I'm testing now at 2720 (which is where my mainboard has decreed "stock" speed is (FSB 340, memory DDR2-816).

I run the sticks singly, and one stick clears test 5 fine, the other tends to produce about 60 errors in test 5, then a few more in test six. This at voltage of 1.85.

Sounds like that stick is bad.

Here's where it gets weirder:

You might figure "maybe it's not getting enough voltage". After all, the system won't even boot reliably if you don't set the RAM voltage to 1.85. I discovered this on day one. So I try juicing it with that one stick (setting it to 2.05, the stick says "1.8-2.2v" right on the label!) I actually get more errors than before-- errors in test 1 onward.

So I've pulled the stick out, and now have 1Gb of single-channel DDR2-816 and a stock-speed setup.

Discussion questions:

1. Could overclocking the CPU have somehow damaged the RAM? Considering the timings were never above DDR2-816, I'd expect not. The fact it passes test 5 with the "good" stick alone makes me assume that it's not a CPU or mobo issue.

2. Is this a RMA situation? My gut is saying yes.

3. If it goes to RMA, how bad is this going to be? If I get on my bike now, I might be able to clear the Newegg return window, but even still, I feel like there's going to be a problem because one stick seems to work fine.

4. What about mismatching pairs? If I'm going to have to spend $25 for insured postage, or send back both sticks and be out of commission for weeks, I may as well just eat this stick, make a funky keychain, and buy another 1Gb stick locally. Or is that a recipe for disaster with dual channel? The only time I ever tried it was with two 256M DDR266 sticks (one Crucial-with-Micron-chips, one Crucial-with-Samsung-chips) and it was part of a "it acts like the memory, but the PSU is really failing" situation.

The stick in question is labelled:

1GB PC2-6400
DDR2 800 CL=5-5-5-15
VOLTAGE= 1.8-2.2V
GX22GB6400DCK=
PN: 105ST6DS2566B
ASSEMBLED IN USA

(evidently there's the problem right there )

5. Is there any other knob that might just be set funny by my board that could have triggered this problem? I have the memory timings at "By SPD", and CPU-Z reports (on the presumably equivalent working stick) timings of 5-5-5-15. Of course it also reports a voltage of 1.8v is intended by the SPD, and we all know how well that worked.

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Old 24-November-07, 08:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Bad RAM (how much a problem is this going to be)

If it were me I would try and RMA both sticks to stay with a matched pair. In the meantime buy you some cheapie stuff for backup ram.

I actually have some cheapie ddr2 (2x512) I would trade for or let go cheap. PM me if you like.

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Old 24-November-07, 12:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Incidentially, does anyone know if memtest86 3.4 is funky in some way?

That was my first stop on the diagnostic journey. It kept bombing at test 2, 13% or so.

It also does so with the single stick that passes Memtest86+ 1.70

and more interestingly, it bombs at test 2, 20% or so, on a second system believed good (X2 4600+, four 512M sticks of Corsair Value-Select DDR400)

I find it highly unusual that two very different systems would fail the same diagnostic in very similar ways. I'm going to grab another copy and see if I had a bad ISO.

However, this would not change the fact that trusted reliable Memtest86+ doesn't like one stick of this memory.
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Old 14-December-07, 05:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If higher voltage leads to more errors I would assume there is a physical defect in the ram. Higher voltage would exacerbate an electron leak, or bad solder joint.
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Old 14-December-07, 05:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Well, this story got a lot weirder.

I bought another 2Gb set, and the stick in slot 3 was again bad (when tested alone in slot 1, it failed).

At this point, I'm suspecting that either I have monster bad luck (like 10,000:1 against odds) or the board is eating RAM, so the board's gone. I got a Gigabyte DS3L and things seem happy now.
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