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Old 22-April-06, 09:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question 370sp Rev 1.0 Can't Find Jumper And Dip Switch Settings.

370SP REV 1.0 CAN'T FIND JUMPER AND DIP SWITCH SETTINGS.

It's Socket 370 to slot 1 converter.

Please help me find it.

I look around the net all I find is people looking for the same info.



Found an index of the convertes don't see mine there. HERE

Basics:

PII, PIII and Celerons must be separated into families.
Each family does need proper Bios-, Voltage- and FSB-Support.
Socket CPUs will need the correct socket (PPGA or FC-PGA).
Whenever one member of a family is known to work, the other members should also.
A quick overview of the families is here.

What those socket to slot converters are about, can be read here.

Upgrade paths for certain boards can be found here and here.



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Bios-Support:

Usually the latest Bios should have support for all CPUs that are known to work on that board.
So getting the latest Bios and checking the Release Notes is the first thing to do here.
This support is needed to get CPU initialized correct and to install the latest Microcode-Update which will correct internal CPU bugs.

If a manufacturers fails on doing so, there are ways to put the missing Microcode support into the Bios.
Don't expect a detailed description here and now.
If you are interested, get ctmc from here and read the docs.




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Voltage-Support:

The CPU sets up the Voltage ID (VID). The voltage regulator on the board reads it and produces the required voltage.
Obviously the board does already have to know, what certain IDs do mean.
Only if the board already knows about the ID, it'll produce the correct voltage.
If not, you will get any (usually a higher) voltage, which will fry your CPU pretty soon.
Early boards will only know about voltages down to 2.0V (first spec).
Only Coppermine aware boards do know about lower voltages.

Slot to Socket Converters do NOT produce anything themselves!
All they do is, to cut of the ID from the CPU and replace it with a user manipulated one.
The AUTO setting simply passes the CPU-ID.

How to know supported voltages?


If your Bios supports manual voltage settings (or if there are jumpers for that),
check if the required voltage is available.
If it is, the AUTO-Setting should know the correct ID for this voltage also.
Check if another CPU with the same voltage is known to be working.
If yes, the VIDs are known.

How to test voltage support?

Buy such an adapter card, which allows manual voltage selection.
Set up a few different voltages and measure, what the board actually does produce.
Do that WITHOUT a CPU installed on that card nor the board.



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FSB-Support:

All current intel CPUs are multiplier locked. The multplier gets fixed at factory to the values that is needed to achieve it's rated speed grade, using the rated FSB.
Any settings via jumpers or the Bios are simply ignored.
The settings are still there, because early P-IIs weren't fixed and engeneering samples still aren't.

Example:
A PII 450 MHz, designed for 100 MHz FSB, will get it's Multiplier fixed to x4.5.

Putting a CPU into a board, that cannot produce the required FSB will give you the wrong speed.
The 450 MHz CPU from above in a 66 MHz-only board (a i440LX-based board for example) will end up running at 4.5 x 66MHz, hence 300MHz.
Fortunately, no damage involved.

Slot to Socket Converters again do NOT produce anything themselves!
All they can do, is to force a board to produce a differnet FSB, than the CPU requests.
Again, the board must be already capable of doing so.




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PPGA vs FC-PGA:

All of a sudden intel changed the pinout for FC-PGA CPUs (AKA Coppermine).
The pin for the Reset has moved (also a few other, less important changes have been made).
As soon as you plug a FC-PGA CPU in a PPGA socket, the CPU will stay reset.

I am not saying, that this was a pure marketing trick, forcing the End-User to buy new intel-chipset based boards (since no other existed back then...).

There is one solution:
As soon as the board has a slot (also called TWIN-Design) and supports the voltage needed by that CPU, use a Socket to Slot Adapter Card which has a FC-PGA socket.




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Socket to slot converters:

As you can read above, those converters actually don't produce anything.
All they do is, to cut of some signals from the CPU to the board and replace with user-settings.
So the board can be forced to produce something different from what the CPU wants to have.
This will only work, if the board is already capable to produce it at all.
The two typical things to change are:


Core Voltage
FSB

Some of those adapters can enable the dual-CPU mode for PGA370-Celerons.

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Old 22-April-06, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Good morning cuban. Alot on your mind this am?
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Old 22-April-06, 09:52 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Good morning cuban. Alot on your mind this am?

Good morning yeah Normally I am gone car is dead

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Good morning yeah Normally I am gone car is dead

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Old 22-April-06, 11:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Here is a msi for future refrence.

Date : Aug 29th, 2000
Category : CPU
Manufacturer : MSI
Author : Jin-Wei Tioh
Jumper Settings


VcoreAuto1.501.551.601.651.701.751.801.851.901.952.00
JV41-22-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-32-3
JV31-2NCNCNCNC2-32-32-32-32-32-32-3
JV21-22-32-32-32-3NCNCNCNC2-32-32-3
JV11-2NCNC2-32-3NCNC2-32-3NCNC2-3
JV01-2NC2-3NC2-3NC2-3NC2-3NC2-3NC

Note :
This jumper should always be set to Auto by default. We do not guarantee that the mainboard, CPU, or other components will function properly when the voltage is manually set.

Overclocking Jumper : J1Overclocking Jumper : J1/J4Single/Dual Processor Jumper : J3
Feature :
Automatically detect 66MHz
and 100MHz FSB
short
Virtually set 66MHz to 100MHz FSB open
Note :
This jumper is only used for
overclocking. We do not guarantee
that the mainboard, CPU, or other
components will function properly
under these conditions.
FSB FSB FSB
CPU Define
short

short 1-2
100MHz
open

short 2-3
133MHz
open

open
Reserved
short

open

Note :
J4 is only used for mainboards that support
133MHz FSB.
Feature :
Single processor
open
Dual processors
short 2-3
Coppermine 256K
short 1-2


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