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Old 14-July-04, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So tommarow my new case will come, and i will be able to put in my new mobo and psu, and a bunch of hardware from my old computer into it. I am planning on just taking the processor of my current mobo and putting it on my new one. It is an AMD Athlon XP 2600+, and yes, the new mobo is Socket A. I know how to get the heatsink off of the CPU (i just installed my new Volcano12) but I dont really know what to do handling wise with the processor. I know how to position it in my new mobo, but Im not sure how i should remove it, handle it (i.e. hold it on the edges or on the faces, use my fingers, or something else) and I just wanted to kno if u guys could help me out a little bit. Thanks!
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Old 14-July-04, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sure, it's always good to be cautious! Handling the chip is really no big deal (It just feels like it sometimes)! Best thing to do would be to make sure you aren't full of static electricity (You can wear a grounding wrist band of you can just touch the frame of the case before touching the chip) and just remove it by grabbing it on the edges. You'll probably have to pull up the little lever on the side of the socket first to unlock it. The only real danger is static electricity or bending the pins, just be mindful of that and you'll be just fine!

One thing you will want to do while it is out (or it may be easier while it is still mounted in it's socket) is to clean off any of the old thermal compound stuck to the chip. I suggest q-tips and alcohol, there are probably better ways, but that has worked fine for me in the past. Make sure you do the same thing to your heatsink (you may even consider lapping it) and apply fresh thermal compound (Arctic Silver 5 is what most folks use).

Good luck,
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Old 14-July-04, 10:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Caxiso's got it but , here are some guides as well for some pix.

GUIDE

GUIDE 2

Last thing, NO MATTA WHAT; DO NOT FORCE IT IN!!!!
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Old 14-July-04, 10:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yeah, it should drop right in if you line it up correctly. Just look at the corners and see which one has the little metalic triangle thing (I think that's how it is on socket A... you get the point tho, just line it up and it will drop in with NO effort), then you can just put the lever back down and you're done!


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Old 14-July-04, 10:30 PM   #5 (permalink)
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i stuck myn in my hair once at a lan....

we had been up for 3 days on bawls and jolt, liek 4am on 3rd day(no sleep), we were getting nutty, and i was dared to put it in my hair and dance around......yea i did it.....

it was the proc from my server, but still a nice pro(1.2)
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Old 14-July-04, 11:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Yeah just take your time don't rush it, I just touch the case and then go ahead and move it to the new mobo, or if I'm really feeling paranoid I put on one of the 2 grounding straps I have.

XPS, have you ever tried Whoop Ass? I had 3 cans of that and looked like for hours
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Old 14-July-04, 11:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Where I work we have strict guidelines to prevent ESD. Make sure you ground yourself before touching the chip. It's ok to walk around with it, just hold it by the sides, touch something grounded like exposed metal on a computer case and even bringing it close to something that could be a carrier for ESD can damage the IC's, especially styrofoam. Don't touch the pins, you should already know that. Sure, it might still work but ESD can cause small damage that adds up over time, had a Radeon 9000 core die from ESD.
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Old 15-July-04, 12:38 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Well installing it is not gonna be a problem, my new Mobo's manual details how to install it. Now, about cleaning the Die on the processor, when i put on my new heatsink i used a lint free lense cloth to clean it off real nice, i didnt use any liquids or cleaners, then i followed some guides online and applied the thermal paste, but all I had was the white thermal paste that came with my Volcano 12 (Thermaltake CPU heatsink). Now, is this an OK way to clean off the processor, and will the thermal paste that came with my Volcano 12 do a good enough job?

One last thing, my motherboard requires me to set the Clock Ratio and the Clock's bus speed. Now my Processor is an AMD Athlon XP 2600+, so i know that the clock bus speed is 333mhz, no problem there, but I cant find the Clock Ratio. The available settings for clock ratio range from 5x to 18x. There is also an "Auto" setting, which should I do? I thought I should do Auto, but then i read this note in the manual:

"In order to BIOS can auto detecting when your CPU multiplier over 18x, please adjust multiplier switch in Clock Ratio to "AUTO"".

So i dont know if i should do auto or not. Any ideas? Thanks!
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Old 15-July-04, 01:01 AM   #9 (permalink)
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1st problem i ever had with esd was with my xbox's mobo...

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FUGGIN POS CHEAP MICROSOFT MOBO!!!!!

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Old 15-July-04, 01:14 AM   #10 (permalink)
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First ?=yes
Secong ?= its alright but AS5 is better

As far as setting your clock ratio your looking at the wrong thing. Unless your 2600 xp came unlocked (which i doubt) than you have no reason to be even touching your multiplier, which is what you explained above because no matter what you change it to in your BIOS it will never change itself. Understand? Good.

The clock ratio that your looking for in your bios under normal user mode should have a set of number options that range from 100, 133, 166, and 200. What does this mean to you? 100=200mhz 133=266mhz 166=333mhz 200=400mhz Obviosly if your processor is rated at 333mhz than you should choose 166. If you do this and your puter boots but doesnt recognize your processor as the 2600 or is unstable than its rated at the 266 mhz and you need to reset your cmos battery and set your clock ratio @ 133(266mhz) Good luck and let us know how it goes. BTW welcome to PR!
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Old 15-July-04, 01:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Now, is this an OK way to clean off the processor, and will the thermal paste that came with my Volcano 12 do a good enough job?

yup, its better than i use, i have a sock that like 40% silver grease.....
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Old 15-July-04, 01:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Hey, I just happen to have the AMD chart in front of me...

What model is your cpu? Is it a Barton or a Thoroughbred? According to this AMD chart that I had printed out from their support site, here are the stats...

Model 10 "Barton":

OPN - AXDA2600DKV4D
Model - 2600+
Operating Freq - 1917MHz
Clock Mult - 11.5x
Nominal Voltage - 1.65V
Max Die Temp - 85C
FSB - 333MHz

Model 8 "Thoroughbred":

OPN - AXDA2600DKV3D
Model - 2600+
Operating Freq - 2083MHz
Clock Mult - 12.5x
Nominal Voltage - 1.65V
Max Die Temp - 85C
FSB - 333MHz

Hope that helps.

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Old 15-July-04, 10:29 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Sparky
First ?=yes
Secong ?= its alright but AS5 is better

As far as setting your clock ratio your looking at the wrong thing. Unless your 2600 xp came unlocked (which i doubt) than you have no reason to be even touching your multiplier, which is what you explained above because no matter what you change it to in your BIOS it will never change itself. Understand? Good.

The clock ratio that your looking for in your bios under normal user mode should have a set of number options that range from 100, 133, 166, and 200. What does this mean to you? 100=200mhz 133=266mhz 166=333mhz 200=400mhz Obviosly if your processor is rated at 333mhz than you should choose 166. If you do this and your puter boots but doesnt recognize your processor as the 2600 or is unstable than its rated at the 266 mhz and you need to reset your cmos battery and set your clock ratio @ 133(266mhz) Good luck and let us know how it goes. BTW welcome to PR!

Thats not even close to what I am talking about, these are not things you change in the BIOS, they are little switches that you change physically on the motherboard. And I dont think i should just leave it stock, because its not set to anything because they dont know what processor you will be using.

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Hey, I just happen to have the AMD chart in front of me...

What model is your cpu? Is it a Barton or a Thoroughbred? According to this AMD chart that I had printed out from their support site, here are the stats...

Model 10 "Barton":

OPN - AXDA2600DKV4D
Model - 2600+
Operating Freq - 1917MHz
Clock Mult - 11.5x
Nominal Voltage - 1.65V
Max Die Temp - 85C
FSB - 333MHz

Model 8 "Thoroughbred":

OPN - AXDA2600DKV3D
Model - 2600+
Operating Freq - 2083MHz
Clock Mult - 12.5x
Nominal Voltage - 1.65V
Max Die Temp - 85C
FSB - 333MHz

Hope that helps.

Rob

srry, im not sure, how can I find out?
It came OEM on my motherboard. Ill see if i can find out, in the meantime, do u have a link to that chart I could see? thanks!


--EDIT-- I looked on SiSandra, its a program that gives you tons of info on ur computer, and its a Thoroughbred, so I guess it is 12.5x, thanks!
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Old 15-July-04, 02:30 PM   #14 (permalink)
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you should check AMD's web site for that chart i bet its their
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Old 15-July-04, 02:58 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I just did, and yes it is 12.5. thanks everyone for your help.
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