Fried?

St8ic · 23-June-04, 10:28 PM

My old mobo crapped out on me, so I bought another one (exact same one: Asus P3B-F) I swapped them, but I have a problem. The first time I booted it, it displayed the wrong proc speed, then froze on the memory detection. I booted again and nothing. No beep codes, nothing on the screen. What did I do to it? Help!

KayinStorm · 23-June-04, 10:30 PM

We could use more info, but I'm betting CPU. If you've gonr through 2 boards, and it acts up...

What processor/chipset is this? sounds old...

spazticbusdriver · 23-June-04, 10:34 PM

It could be a # of things. What exactly happened to your old mobo? Is the one you swapped a new or referbished one? Need more info.

j-dogg · 23-June-04, 11:10 PM

P3B-F = Intel 440BX Slot 1 if I remember correctly.

That's odd, 440BX boards are some of the most stable boards ever, as long as you don't push them too far past 100 MHz

And 133MHz on a BX, forget it. Not designed for 133. Besides, you shouldn't buy anything you can make an insult out of (ASUS = UAss)

I think you have a fux0r3d board. If you're on a budget I would suggest a 266MHz FSB Athlon mobo and an Athlon XP 1700 or 2000. To me I think you have BIOS issues. If you are running a Pentium 3 133MHz FSB chip or even an 600MHz P3, BX chipset boards don't like anything over 100 MHz.

putwig · 24-June-04, 06:18 AM

try clearing the cmos

St8ic · 24-June-04, 09:54 AM

Sorry for not giving the proc. info! It's a Pentium III Coppermine, 850mHz, 100mHz FSB, never been overclocked. It fits into a slot-1 mobo with an adapter. I inspected it, but I can't see any physical evidence of damage. The old P3B-F started acting up (froze sometimes, then wouldn't boot and gave devide overflow errors on other occasions), so I bought this new one on ebay from some guy who pulled it from an old rig. Thanks.

Vada Fae · 24-June-04, 10:05 AM

Captain Obvious: I think you bought a bad board off Ebay.

St8ic · 24-June-04, 10:29 AM

anyone know where the recovery jumper may be on this board?

Joose · 24-June-04, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by St8ic


	anyone know where the recovery jumper may be on this board?

Try checking the manual

Methinks you got screwed too.

St8ic · 24-June-04, 11:13 AM

what if the mobo wasn't grounded to the cae using the brass or plastic stand-offs?

aaronrkelly · 24-June-04, 11:32 AM

The mobo SHOULD NOT be grounded to the case via the standoffs. There are no parts of the motherboard that should touch the case.

The standoffs do not, and are not, supposed to touch any of the traces of the motherboard - this will toast it for sure. If you look closely at your mobo the area where the standoffs contact are void of anything.

St8ic · 24-June-04, 04:38 PM

what I mean is that (for some reason) one of the plastic spacers that separated the metal stand-off on the case from the motherboard wasn't there. I suppose this is why it broke? Is it repairable?

Vada Fae · 24-June-04, 04:41 PM

Those plastic spacers don't do anything. I don't think that was your problem.

j-dogg · 24-June-04, 04:47 PM

The P3B-F is an Intel 440BX chipset board. Coppermine processors are not supported by the 440BX, Coppermines are only supported by the Intel 810, 815, 815e and 820. Try it with a Pentium 2.

St8ic · 24-June-04, 04:58 PM

....that's strange? This board (actualy a revision later than this new one) ran it perfectly! I'll try to find the Pentium II that came with it, but this processor ran in a P3B-F just fine before.

Are you sure the plastic spacers do nothing? I've heard two different stories on that.

Vada Fae · 24-June-04, 05:08 PM

I believe that is actually a ground for the motherboard. Even if you had spacers on all the posts, contact would still be made through the screw. That motherboard should support coppermines with a BIOS flash.

St8ic · 26-June-04, 05:14 PM

I swaped out the PIII for the original PII, and it works. Do you know why it might cook the PIII? maybe it's not dead, just doesn't work until I flash the BIOS? This board is a revision earlier than my other one.

corsair · 26-June-04, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by St8ic


	just doesn't work until I flash the BIOS? This board is a revision earlier than my other one.

I'm no expert, and I don't mean to sound rude, but I think you may have answered your own question, try flashing the bios with the latest from Asus.

St8ic · 26-June-04, 08:42 PM

This is very strange...

My BIOS version is newer than the most current update! I guess that it does have support for coppermines, but that CPU is dead? Too bad.

j-dogg · 26-June-04, 08:50 PM

Lemme break it down for ya.....

Your old board had the 440BX Coppermine flash. Some later 440BX boards support Coppermine up to 800 or 866 MHz. Yours was probably one of them.

Flash your BIOS with the exact same one from your old board, I bet it works. And your PIII 800 shouldn't be getting too hot, Intel's are built with copper and the use of copper is a patented Intel cooling solution, your 800 or whatever it is should barely be warm to the touch.

23-June-04, 10:28 PM		#1 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	Fried? My old mobo crapped out on me, so I bought another one (exact same one: Asus P3B-F) I swapped them, but I have a problem. The first time I booted it, it displayed the wrong proc speed, then froze on the memory detection. I booted again and nothing. No beep codes, nothing on the screen. What did I do to it? Help!

24-June-04, 09:54 AM		#6 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	Sorry for not giving the proc. info! It's a Pentium III Coppermine, 850mHz, 100mHz FSB, never been overclocked. It fits into a slot-1 mobo with an adapter. I inspected it, but I can't see any physical evidence of damage. The old P3B-F started acting up (froze sometimes, then wouldn't boot and gave devide overflow errors on other occasions), so I bought this new one on ebay from some guy who pulled it from an old rig. Thanks. Last edited by St8ic; 24-June-04 at 10:30 AM..

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23-June-04, 10:30 PM		#2 (permalink)
KayinStorm Apex Tech God	We could use more info, but I'm betting CPU. If you've gonr through 2 boards, and it acts up... What processor/chipset is this? sounds old...

23-June-04, 10:34 PM		#3 (permalink)
spazticbusdriver Apex Advanced Techie	It could be a # of things. What exactly happened to your old mobo? Is the one you swapped a new or referbished one? Need more info.

23-June-04, 11:10 PM		#4 (permalink)
j-dogg Mystical Schwinn Guru	P3B-F = Intel 440BX Slot 1 if I remember correctly. That's odd, 440BX boards are some of the most stable boards ever, as long as you don't push them too far past 100 MHz And 133MHz on a BX, forget it. Not designed for 133. Besides, you shouldn't buy anything you can make an insult out of (ASUS = UAss) I think you have a fux0r3d board. If you're on a budget I would suggest a 266MHz FSB Athlon mobo and an Athlon XP 1700 or 2000. To me I think you have BIOS issues. If you are running a Pentium 3 133MHz FSB chip or even an 600MHz P3, BX chipset boards don't like anything over 100 MHz.

24-June-04, 06:18 AM		#5 (permalink)
putwig Dr. Hydro Pimp	try clearing the cmos

24-June-04, 10:05 AM		#7 (permalink)
Vada Fae Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	Captain Obvious: I think you bought a bad board off Ebay.

24-June-04, 10:29 AM		#8 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	anyone know where the recovery jumper may be on this board?

24-June-04, 11:13 AM		#10 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	what if the mobo wasn't grounded to the cae using the brass or plastic stand-offs?

24-June-04, 11:32 AM		#11 (permalink)
aaronrkelly Apex Tech God	The mobo SHOULD NOT be grounded to the case via the standoffs. There are no parts of the motherboard that should touch the case. The standoffs do not, and are not, supposed to touch any of the traces of the motherboard - this will toast it for sure. If you look closely at your mobo the area where the standoffs contact are void of anything.

24-June-04, 04:38 PM		#12 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	what I mean is that (for some reason) one of the plastic spacers that separated the metal stand-off on the case from the motherboard wasn't there. I suppose this is why it broke? Is it repairable?

24-June-04, 04:41 PM		#13 (permalink)
Vada Fae Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	Those plastic spacers don't do anything. I don't think that was your problem.

24-June-04, 04:47 PM		#14 (permalink)
j-dogg Mystical Schwinn Guru	The P3B-F is an Intel 440BX chipset board. Coppermine processors are not supported by the 440BX, Coppermines are only supported by the Intel 810, 815, 815e and 820. Try it with a Pentium 2.

24-June-04, 04:58 PM		#15 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	....that's strange? This board (actualy a revision later than this new one) ran it perfectly! I'll try to find the Pentium II that came with it, but this processor ran in a P3B-F just fine before. Are you sure the plastic spacers do nothing? I've heard two different stories on that.

24-June-04, 05:08 PM		#16 (permalink)
Vada Fae Apex Tech Fanatic Supreme	I believe that is actually a ground for the motherboard. Even if you had spacers on all the posts, contact would still be made through the screw. That motherboard should support coppermines with a BIOS flash.

26-June-04, 05:14 PM		#17 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	I swaped out the PIII for the original PII, and it works. Do you know why it might cook the PIII? maybe it's not dead, just doesn't work until I flash the BIOS? This board is a revision earlier than my other one.

26-June-04, 08:42 PM		#19 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	This is very strange... My BIOS version is newer than the most current update! I guess that it does have support for coppermines, but that CPU is dead? Too bad.

26-June-04, 08:50 PM		#20 (permalink)
j-dogg Mystical Schwinn Guru	Lemme break it down for ya..... Your old board had the 440BX Coppermine flash. Some later 440BX boards support Coppermine up to 800 or 866 MHz. Yours was probably one of them. Flash your BIOS with the exact same one from your old board, I bet it works. And your PIII 800 shouldn't be getting too hot, Intel's are built with copper and the use of copper is a patented Intel cooling solution, your 800 or whatever it is should barely be warm to the touch.