News I just learnd from a inside sorce that Intel has already finished their 64-Bit Processor and that HP and this man I know's company are working together to build stable systems. The insider I speak of is the Network Admin at a company that develops ROM Chips for MOBO's Vid cars etc.. He told me that intel will launch just a little before or after AMD and that He might give me a MOBO and Processor to test. Not only that from the data I saw the damn thing made the new 3.06 and3.0 @800Mhz look like p2's @ 500mhz. I'm not sure how much they cost, or exactly their stats, like Cache and and pin count or how they plan to OC or cool. But from what i'v seen Intel is sitting in the lead agian, but never leave AMD out of the picture


64-bit ROCKS

Well actually (sadly) apple where the first to release a 64-bit...bastards

No they werent. AMD was. Remember the Opteron? It was the first 64 bit system. And acctually http://boxxtech.com had the first 64 bit nonserver system.

64 bit what exactly is the deal about it can someone explain...

and is AMD Sledgehamme the code name for its project in 64 bit??

I'm hearing big Figures in the way of 6 gigs of power.
But i'm not sure if that figure is legit. So All I can say Is I'm going to have wait till I can get my hands on some of his data, and maybe a full demo.

In my world the only way 64bit processors are going to affect me is when the prices drop on the current platforms when they are released I'm not looking to upgrade to a 64bit platform since I simply do not have any use for it. Then again, I'm just the average person and not Mr. Graphic's guru so that could explain it.

Actually the first 64 bit processor was not the Opteron, Athlon 64, Crapple G5, Intel 64bit thingy. If I am correct it is the original Itanium processor from Intel, and some 64bit processor from Sun Technologies. Also note, there is no true score as to who is best until they put All the 64bit prcoessors together on the same applications, to see who is best @ performance, and who is best budgeted. I believe that the Athlon 64 will be very budget concious when they come out in September. You will see me in line within 3 days of the Athlon 64's release lining up for two of them. AMD Deserves all my money with their hard earned research that went into their SOI technology and their upcoming SOI 90nm technology in early 2004. When the Athlon 64 comes out, I'd say let the battle begin between all the 64bit processors and lets see who wins. Question is do we really need them as consumers? NO! All current games and atleast 90% of programs are based on 16/32 bit technologies, thus the need for a 64bit processor is marginal. I got my hands on the new G5 Crapple, and I can say, I notice marginal improvements over the G4. We are already fast enough currently as consumers. Adobe Photoshop 7 starts instantly on my Barton 2500+ @ stock speed, all my programs start within 5 seconds. There is just no need to upgrade until programs catchup with hardware, which seems to always be 12 months ahead of the programs. I just say, let Intel, Crapple, and AMD fight to the bitter end and see who wins the 64bit enterprise.

B-Boy, it is DESKTOP 64bit machines that the companies are after.

No ****! I can just go out and get an Itanium based system and call it a "Desktop" system although it'd only be 64bit, and not backwards compatible, but the first true 64 bit processor came out eons ago. First "64/32bit processor goes to AMD with their Opteron". Second inline is Macincrap(Crapple) with their Crapple G5. Third inline will be AMD again with their Athlon 64, and Fourth will be Intel following the pack with their own version. We will just have to see.

We were talking about 64 bit desktops B-boy. and no you cant just go get a itanium based system and call it a desktop. Thats because the computer sites on a desktop and if you put an itanium system on a desktop it would brak the desk...lmao! As far as ive ever seen they never made small itanium based system. Also the itanium isnt compatible with anything but the software that was coded for it. Itaniums are i-86 based i beleive unlike the x86 that everything else is(possibbly not the G5, not sure).

Itanium2 I was talking about, and no it wouldn't break the desk. It isn't that big. BTW, I know that you were talking about 64bit desktops, just adding in my own little input. 64bit dekstops; AMD came first with their Opteron.

The word "actually" screwed over your post. I am not going to bother explaining why since I think you should be smart enough to figure it out yourself.

Ill do you one better b-boy. I believe Sun had a 128bit sparc system for a short time. I remember reading about it a couple times. I have never ever seen a itanium based system with fewer then 8 procs. That case would be huge and probably break the desk. I know the chips arent that big. Im talking about the systems they are in.

you also forgot hp's own 64 bit chip the alpha.

Edit i take back my bigger than a desk comment about itanium systems. Found a small rack mount on the hp site.

Told ya! U1, U2, ... rackmount configerations are not that uncommon my friend. Now say sorry,

Wow what a Argument this has turned into.

B Boy dont argue like the last bannana boy. you know what they mean a 64 bit consumer PC as in go into best buy and pick one up not call the sun microsystems sales rep and buy a expensive unix box.

hmmmm i was looking up on the internet and i found some info on thatn 128 bit pc. Rumors though nothing hard. Then i read about the operton. Its a server proc they are putting in damn desktops. Hell if i wanted server procs in my pc screw the 64bit operton, stick with true blue proven 32 bit and get a dula 2.8 ghz operton. Now that would be bad ass bitchin

Uhh, the opteron runs both natively?

Not only that, but we've had other 64 bit forays. Itanium 2, certain Solaris servers, whatever were 64 bit. What we have is the first widely available, easily implemented 64 bit solution. Before, anything 64 bit only ran 64 bit apps, bu the Opteron can natively scale itself back to 32 bit for exising apps, making it the cost effective solution to upgrades for businesses.

HP had better use that Athlon 64, cause I want one...

Yes kayin, thats what that whole argument thing with apple was about, the first 64bit desktop, that can run older 32bit code, and newer 64bit code at the same time. The itanium i-64, looks nothing like a x86 based proccessor, its just a pure server chip, too damned expensive. Hence, the Opteron, came out before the apple, since it can run pure 64bit code, as well as 32bit. The perfect setup imho.

What a silly fight