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Old 04-February-08, 12:04 PM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1 (permalink)
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Sorry if i can't spell, anyways, I just built a comp for my little brother, and it is a 3.2 Ghz AMD Dualcore and it overheats alot just at stock settings(haven't even begun to overclock) I got a Big Typhoon(not the vx, just the regular, i was planning on up grading the fan) and im seeing the same heat levels on my chip as before. At idle, right now it is sitting at 51 C(hovers between 50-53), whenever i start installing programs, it jumps up to around 55-56, and games will in a matter of minutes cook it to 61-62(never really let it go past that as the alarm sounds at 65) And right now i even have the case cracked open with a house fan blowing directly on it(until i can afford a bunch of case fans to improve the airflow on this) Any suggestions
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Old 04-February-08, 12:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Tried reseating the cooler? What thermal paste did you use, and how did you apply it?
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Old 04-February-08, 01:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Tried reseating the cooler? What thermal paste did you use, and how did you apply it?

Reflux is right on the money.

With a typhoon, you should be getting temps around half of that... at least I do on mine.


Take it apart, clean off whatever paste you have on it, apply only small amount (about the size of a grain of white rice) to the top of your chip.
Spread around with a chunk of flexable plastic (credit card or bit of blister pack).
Reseat the cooler and tighten the thumbscrews uniformly.

Also:
Is your HSF hooked up properly (blowing down on the chip, not sucking up from)
Do you have a BIOS setting limiting the RPMs or tied into the chip temp?
At temps like that, your fan should be going as fast as it can.
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Old 04-February-08, 01:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Is it bolted down properly and did you apply the thermal paste inbetween nice and smooth? Also did you clean any previous gunk off?
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Old 04-February-08, 02:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Make sure you followed the instructions on how to apply your thermal paste. CPUs and pastes need different applications. For example, AS5 on a Core 2 Duo requires just a line of paste down the middle, and then mount the cooler. Cool Silver requires an X-shape application, regardless of CPU.
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Old 04-February-08, 04:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure i seated it correctly, i will try to reseat it, and i used Dynex Thermal Compound, its a 99.5 micronized silver coumpound from best buy(i know, but i wasn't willing to pay for the shipping of just artic) Since I'm gonna be getting new fans for the case, i guess ill order some artic and reseat it next weekend. Would lapping help any or no, I'm not afraid of spending a couple of extra hours on it.(and the fan is as it came, blowing onto the heatsink) I put to much on at first, and then i wiped a bunch off and applied it more evenly. Anyways, i thought that wasn't right. Also the case fans are cause the mobo is overheating in the desk as well, so im gonna go overkill, i even bought an intake fan for the desk
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Old 05-February-08, 06:43 AM   #7 (permalink)
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. Also the case fans are cause the mobo is overheating in the desk as well, so im gonna go overkill, i even bought an intake fan for the desk

Lapping does reduce temps about 5 degrees C.

So let me get this straight... you have the machine completely enclosed in your desk (drawer I'm assuming?)

What temps do you get if you run it outside of the desk?
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Old 05-February-08, 07:14 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Also the case fans are cause the mobo is overheating in the desk as well, so im gonna go overkill, i even bought an intake fan for the desk

Can we get a pic of this? Cause if this looks like I think it does, it really doesn't matter what your HSF is ... if you've got no airflow where the case is, everything's just going to heat up and not dissipate.

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Old 05-February-08, 02:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Sounds like small case + enclosed area = hot temps........

At least get your case out in a well vented area.....
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Old 05-February-08, 03:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Sounds like small case + enclosed area = hot temps........

At least get your case out in a well vented area.....

I have to agree with this. Take it out of the desk immediately.
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Old 05-February-08, 04:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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My current temps are with the pc outside the desk and a desktop fan(moderately sized, like an office fan but for your desk) blowing directly onto the mobo. With my comp in the desk's pc cabinet, door closed(which i rarely ever do, usually when i boot down or hibernate it), it bolts up in the scary zone without even running any programs.(my temps are coming from the programs my asus mobo came with, AI Booster and PC Probe) This is why i got an intake fan for the actual desk(not yet installed), as the cabinet does have a vent on it, and i was gonna atach a high cfm 120mm ac fan to it, and i was gonna go overboard on the case fans itself(the case is pretty old design, and has bad airflow, but alittle diy bloholes will make short work of that). Anyways, i have already removed it from the desk(the temps i reported earlier are my outside the desk temps), but i just did a trial inside the desk, and it seems to have stabilized quite a bit. Right now i am reading temps of just 42 C and while playing games it was at 49-51 in the desk with the desktop fan off. Not sure what is going on, but the mobo is still getting warm so im gonna bull it back out and put the fan on it to. And im still to new a user to post any pics.

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Old 05-February-08, 09:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Give us some more specifics.......Case make, mobo, etc. and if it's an OEM machine like HP or Dell. Myself,I think it's poor ventilation of the case. You might have to mod the case for better ventilation (both intake & exhaust) or purchase a bigger/better case.
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Old 06-February-08, 12:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Processor
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6400CZBOX
MOBO
ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard
Memory
WINTEC AMPX 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Video Card
XFX GeForce 8600GT PVT84JYAJG Video Card(soon to be two SLI'd)
PSU
Ultra XFinity 600 watt atx psu with dual 80mms

Until my new fans come in and i take the metal cutter to my case, it has two internal fans with no inlet port, it is vented on the side(no fans just vents) and has one exhaust right under the psu on the back of the case. all three fans are 80mm, and then the psu is an exhaust. This is why i have a house fan on the case. Anyways, i got some real good ideas and i am going to overhaul the case and lap and reseat the heatsink. But by all means if you feel that you have some helpful information feel free to add it(this is my brothers gaming rig, and my first build, but as far as oh thats no good for ocing, i don't care cause hes never gonna oc, i will and my case is gonna be a much bigger build. This was my learning experience, and i feel ive learned alot.
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Old 06-February-08, 12:43 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Still looks like a case ventilation issue..........Is the case your using a mid-tower or a full size?
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Old 06-February-08, 01:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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it has two internal fans with no inlet port

Okay, so ... two internal fans with no inlet port ... where are those fans? Where are they mounted, and what direction are they blowing? Is one of them the cooler for the CPU?

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it is vented on the side(no fans just vents) and has one exhaust right under the psu on the back of the case. all three fans are 80mm, and then the psu is an exhaust.

The vent on the side is where you should put one of your fans -> intake, you need air in there!

Now you're saying there are three fans ... hopefully, you are counting the PSU in that three. So right now I'm *guessing* you have the following fans:
1. PSU fan (exhaust)
2. CPU fan
3. a third fan ... where? Doing what?

This is why pics are so important.

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You've only just begun, grasshopper!

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Old 07-February-08, 01:50 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Okay, so ... two internal fans with no inlet port ... where are those fans? Where are they mounted, and what direction are they blowing? Is one of them the cooler for the CPU?



The vent on the side is where you should put one of your fans -> intake, you need air in there!

Now you're saying there are three fans ... hopefully, you are counting the PSU in that three. So right now I'm *guessing* you have the following fans:
1. PSU fan (exhaust)
2. CPU fan
3. a third fan ... where? Doing what?

This is why pics are so important.



You've only just begun, grasshopper!

-godling

godling is exactly right...........cooling is all about getting cool air in and getting the hot air out.
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Old 07-February-08, 04:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 08-February-08, 04:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The three post's in a row minutes apart is not funny and it will get you a negitive reputation
boost. I'll give you a little time to fix this brain fart.
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Old 08-February-08, 04:28 PM   #19 (permalink)
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http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...g?t=1202508179
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...g?t=1202508366

there you go, the first one you can see the exhaust fan in the back, and the two internals on the front in front of the hard drive cage. There is no intake hole for them they just kinda push air around. Then theres some fan the mobo came with that i threw in, figured it couldn't hurt, but i really don't count that as a case fan, and then the powersupply has two fans of its own, but i didn't count that the first time. All in all, there are two exhaust fans, no intake fans, four internal fans(two at the hard drive cage, the typhoon, and the mobo fan also blowing onto the mobo), and the second exhaust (PSU)fan has an additional fan in line(two psu fans)
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Old 08-February-08, 04:32 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The three post's in a row minutes apart is not funny and it will get you a negitive reputation
boost. I'll give you a little time to fix this brain fart.

sorry but eveyone was hounding me for pics and the site would not allow me to post any because i haven't had seven posts yet so i just bumped and put the pics up. Wont let it happen again
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