Hey I've yet to take a stab at water cooling but I'm truely debating it now, and I've been reading some posts and I do have the money to do it and possibly to replace any parts, but what are the true odds the Mobo or CPU gets fried?

And also, What are your thoughts on water cooling kits? I'm looking to buy a new case, any thoughts on a case that could fully contain a water kit, or would I have to make a custom case? And how does Koolance hold up, obviously my plans are to OC.

Lotta questions, but thanks.

Koolance is great, but dont expect huge overclocks from it. A decent 21" or higher case should hold a W/C sustem, but just barely. I recommend if you want an internal system that you get a fullsize tower. Koolance kits are external, thug save you alot of room inside, and in fact are very nice looking and good performing systems. The risk of drying something is slim if you take the proper precautions. Fill and Bleed the systems properly and run it for a day before connecting it to your computer just to make sure you dont have any leaks. Good luck bro. Welcome to Pimprig.

Many cases can hold water cooling gear (Ihave seen a fully internal water cooled shuttle).

I like full tower action, but a mid tower can be easily put together.

The Koolance Exos is the only Koolance product I would consider. Pair it with a quality water block (Innovatech).

If you are looking for internal water cooling, or premade water cooling cases, there are better products than Koolance.

Here is a quote on leaks:

Quote: Originally posted by putwig Ok, water does have risks. Properly tested, installed, and maintained systems should not have any problems at all! That said, I have had two leaks in 16 months. 1. slow insidious leak between hose and barb on cpu block. Screen locked up after 2 months of running without incident. Blacklight revealed UV dye on vid card! Ran a case fan blowing on vid card (out of system ) for 48 hours. No hardware damage! 2. fast onset leak during leak testing phase after some hose reconfiguring. Noticed puddle on top of PSU, system not powered at time! Post mortem - sloppy install, hose clamp not tight. No hardware damage. Lessons: 1. check and double check your installs! 2. properly test for leaks before powering up system. Let the pump circulate for 12 plus hours. 3. periodically check fittings for slow insidious leaks. You can't beat UV dye and blacklights for this application (plus it looks totally pimp!!!). 4. Always, always, always use distilled water! Never add an ionized solution to the de-ionized water! In summary, water cooling has its risks! Follow these points, and the chance of leaks will be minimized! Also, by using the right solutions, you can minimize the damage caused should a leak occur!

Hey cool, I was looking at the X-pider case, but looks like I probably want to go with a full tower right? I saw the Koolance exos but i didn't really like how the hoses come from the outside into it. Anyone recommend a good case for the job? Or better yet a good water cooling kit?

The X-Pider would be the ultimate Mid-size tower for the job, I own one and its truely amazing. It's wide, its tall, its very deep. Couldn't be more pleased. It would definately hold an Internal watercooling system. Swifttch makes some good compact internal systems, give them a try. Get the X-Pider in Aluminum flavor, the steel case weighs unbearable amounts and has a crappy paint finish. The Anodized Aluminum X-Pider case, which is what I have, is pure amazing. The paintjob is spectacular.

A price range would be helpful. You should decide on which case your using before buying a kit. A full tower will of course give you more room to grow. But most mid-towers will work.

A couple of cases I think are perfect for internal water cooling are the Lite-on FS020 and the Chenbro Genie. The Lite-on is what Swiftech uses for their wc case. Both will accomodate even the largest radiators with room left over.

And on a slightly smaller scale the Compucase 610 (Same as the mnpctech SC195 reviewed on the front page).

All use 120 mm fans for cooling which is a good thing. All plain beige boxes begging to be made into something better. This IS a mod site afterall.

Could could fit a rather large radiator ontop of the PSU in an X-Pider case, one thats about 2 1/2 to 3 inch's tall and very long would fit perfect. Otherwise you have ample room in the bottom of the case for one. A newer version of the X-Pider was just released. It's called the SUPER X-ALIEN. It's kinda like Alienwares new cases but not as round, but a pricetag of $280canadian for them even surpasses Lian Li prices, which are downright too expensive. It has room for 6 80mm fans. 2 at back, 2 at front, one on left side window, one on top, very "breathable". It has an LCD Display for temps at the front, it also has glow lights everywhere. Pretty nice case if you ask me. I see lots of modding potential in it.

Yeah I've seen the X-superalien, little expensive for just the case, and I'm pretty sure I'm going with the X-pider now. I'm looking at the Swiftech WC kit right now, just wanted to know if its difficult to install, and if it would cool better than air cooling and good heatsink and what not, Bannana, if you have any pics of the inside of your case (since you have the x-pider) that would be a big help, thanks again

it wil not necessarily cool better than a top of the line fan and heatsink. It will perform much better and the WC will give you the option of overclocking. It depends on your price range and what you really want. You can still overclock somewhat on aircooling but its how much you are wanting to clock and spend.

Yea b-boy how about some pics. I would like to see how much room on top of the PSU there is in that case too. They look to be the same as the Antec mids with a different bezzel.

I've got the Koolance PC2-601bw and love it. I'd highly recommend it, but would advice against mixing it with an Innovatek or non Koolance waterblock. Doing so can result in a chemical reaction and buildup of bacteria in your system, and will void Koolance's warrenty.

my thoughts on watercooling is it may be a bit complex but it will go a long way in the future. I use aircooling because who the hell would watercool a Duron 1.3? And besides some of the best automobiles on this planet (*cough*Porsche*cough*)use aircooling and they work just fine. Except for 996's they're watercooled

Quote: Originally posted by DedEye I've got the Koolance PC2-601bw and love it. I'd highly recommend it, but would advice against mixing it with an Innovatek or non Koolance waterblock. Doing so can result in a chemical reaction and buildup of bacteria in your system, and will void Koolance's warrenty.

That's exactly why you put something like glycol or water wetter in a system. By the way, Koolance has exactly the same mix of metals as Innovatek, D-tek, Zalman and coutless others do. Aluminum and copper. If Koolance recommends against a different block for those reasons, that would be the height of hypocracy. They didn't start gold plating their blocks until the 200. And it would still corrode if you didn't use distilled water and a anti corrosive. Maybe get "plated" with aluminum would be a better term than corrode.

As far as warranty, who's gonna tell 'em? But with the proper additives and distilled or deionized water, a resonable maintenance schedule, it will never be a problem.


And dissimiliar metals do not cause bacterial growth.

Aight heres a pic: Enough room to fit a 5 1/4 bay resovoir up there.

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Quote: Originally posted by DedEye I've got the Koolance PC2-601bw and love it. I'd highly recommend it, but would advice against mixing it with an Innovatek or non Koolance waterblock. Doing so can result in a chemical reaction and buildup of bacteria in your system, and will void Koolance's warrenty.

I see why you bought the pre-modded, pre-installed crap....because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about or doing. Plz don't post misinformation.

Edit--Damn you and your fast fingers AntiM. I wasted too much time contemplating correcting him or just laughing.

I wouldn't go that far Anon. I really don't think DedEye thought he was posting misinformation. And there is nothing wrong with a Koolance system. It's a nice quiet system at a decent price. Different strokes for different folks.

And I don't doubt running a brand other than Koolance for your block would void the warranty. That is one thing Koolance does have though....a warranty. Most water kits have no warranty expressed or implied. You just gotta hope the vendor will stand behind their products with a replacement if something does go bad. Most state flat out "no returns on water cooling equipment".

They may just say that it will void the warrenty on your koolance system if you use a different block because they WANT you to buy their own block, which is subpar compared to dangerden, innoventec, etc. blocks in many reviews I've read.

Id say that if you don’t have a deadline to meet go the custom route and put your own system together. Do a ½” ID system, there are LOTS of parts out there for ½” setups. If you really prefer an off the shelf solution check out www.DangerDen.com and www.Swiftech.com Both companies sell pretty good setups, between the two I am partial to DangerDen as their systems use nice big Ehiem pumps and I really love their Lucite top water blocks.