yeah so I just tossed the vacuum cleaners err i mean those vantex tornados out the window cuz they were driving me insane.

so im going with watercooling..

a few questions.

1. Do I still need thermal grease to apply a waterblock.
2. what is the best reputable waterblock for an athlon 1700+ on an epox 8rda+?
3. when choosing tubing, why does size matter in relevance to performance? whats the difference in 3/8ths and 1/2 and so on? why is one better than the other?
4. are there circumstances in which you would need more than one size of tubing?
5. explain what I may not know. which may be alot since i am the definition of n00b.
thanks.

I can answer question 1:

YES - for the same reason you need it for air cooling...it's an interface material between the cpu and the cooling mechanism, be it water, peltier or air.

Well first off I want to warn you that this is not something that you can just ruch into. Just because your fans were noisy. Are you going to do any overclocking? Can you afford to replace a part like a mobo or GPU if (god forbid ) you had a leak? These are all things you should look at when going into watercooling. Ok enough of a lecture. If you wait long enough one of the big WA WA pimps will come to the rescue but I will let you know what I think.
1. Yes you need thermal grease just like a heatsink or anything else like that.
2. White Water, Maze 3-4, Dtek TC-4
3.The size tubing I like to use is 1/2 inch. This provides more water to move. 3/8 inch is a smaler dia. so the flow will be stronger since it is condensed in the smaller tubing. I would recommend 1/2 since most things are already 1/2 inch and allows more water flow for if you were to cool your gpu in the future.
4. No unless you had different sizes of barbs on pump but that doesn;t happpen. If that would occur you just get reducers. It makes yor life easier.
5. Well that is a hard question because it depends on how much information you have researched and what you have read. you never are done learning about this stuff. I would recommend looking at the archives and reading everything that you see under extreme cooling. Also look at some websites. www.dangerden.com. www.dtekcustoms.com. www.coolerguys.com. www.frozencpu.com.www.voyuermods.com. Those should keep you busy for awhile.

Here you go shauck...http://www.ocaddiction.com/articles/howto/custom_water/ I just read that article and it should help you a lot...also do you listen to andy c?

well im not uber noob i just never actually set a wc system up before. My gf wont tolerate a loud system in out living room and i''ve compared the costs and i figure im only gonna be losing bout 100$ beyond my budget for the computer im building if I go with W/C

I just tested the fan out of curiousity after hearing so many complaints about the noise.. now i see why. it sounds like a vacuum cleaner inside the computer.. its horrible.
I left it on for half an hour to see if I could get used to it as a background noise or something too.. nope.. still too loud.. I supposed I could get a fan controller but if im gonna splurge that kinda money id rather just get the w/c setup.

so yeah thats why im coming here, im hella patient. ive been building this computer for the past 5 months, thats how patient I am.

its just a side project beyond my current computer. not something i need right away.

Quote: Originally posted by m3_tw0 Here you go shauck...http://www.ocaddiction.com/articles/howto/custom_water/ I just read that article and it should help you a lot...also do you listen to andy c?

cool link but no, no andy c.. is that a recomendation?

Well I am trying to find a song by him and I thought you might know it heh.

m3_tw0 - yer sig pic ain't working...sorry for crapping yer thread shauk...

you should try a fanbus/rheobus or just 7v those tornado's

Yeah you could try what buzz said, but if you are wanting to go ahead witht the water cooling what tyoe of budget are you in? Are you looking to piece part a system together or buy a whole kit, or go totally external with the Koolance EXOS. THat exos really isn;t a bad idea for what you are wanting to do. You are not overclocking and this is a very quiet system. Its in its own little box. http://www.voyeurmods.com/detail.asp...T_ID=WC-KIT-1. This kit is really good for what you are wanting and would be a little cheaper. The External EXOS is right around 200.

Are you just wanting a niose reduction or are you looking for the overclocking capabilkities, etc. If you are just looking for a noise reduction and still want to go with water cooling. Ahanix Iceburg. All that is reallly is a noise reduction and a step up from a DECENT cpu fan. honestly if I were you I would look into some rheobus or baybus fan controllers. That would be a lot cheaper and you could get more fans and you would not have to rin all of them at full speed al lthe time. http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/fro...nu_search.html there are quite a few on this page. Take a look and let us know what you want to do.

1.) In one word: yes.

2.) Since you said BEST reputable: White Water waterblock....or the Cascade as soon as it comes out on the market.

3.) The larger the ID of the tubing, the higher flowrate your system will have. Higher flowrate in most cases = better heat transfer = better performance. In these cases 1/2" tubing is always preferable to 3/8" performance-wise. Some people, however, feel that the 1/2" is too bulky and therefore go with the 3/8".There are some blocks, howver which are specifically designed for low flowrates, in which case smaller tubing would be preferable. (not many)

4.) Usually it is preferable to maintain a uniform size of tubing. Only in cases in which you have a 3 fitting waterblock, such as the WW can you reduce thew tubing to 3/*" on the outtakes without any worry of diminishing the performance of your system, ,but then you'd have to buy the specific fitting as they only come in one size or the other. . Some people also reduce if they are running blocks in parrallel, but they trade off lower flowarate to the waterblocks for slightly cooler water (usually <.5 degrees...not worth it IMHO)

5.) HAHAHA. Sorry you have to go do your own research like everyone else. Thats like asking an automobile engineer, "Ok tell me everyhting I may not know about this car." This should steer you in the right direction:
http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/...=5&o=0&fpart=1

Ya joose I know..my provider is being whacky..but shauck...that article I sent you will help you a lot but you need to ask the water guys here because I dont know much about it...they will helo you much better then I could.

ok i got all the info i needed


and just so ya know yes I plan on doing an OC

I dont know anyone with my setup who would run that stock

JIUHB Whoot.

I was wondering why the tornados if you weren't gonna O/C the most O/Cable CPU in the line up!
Study Bro there is alot on the subject, right here at PR. There are alot of options, and your budget is first, then what are you trying to accomplish,cpu only or everything in the case, internal, external, and remember quieting down fans is one thing, and getting your coolant as close to ambient is another.
It really is gonna depend on whatcha lookin to do with the W/C system

Start with a baybus Shauk. Even if you end up going with the water cooling a baybus is just a required piece of kit! They flat out rock, and are now available cheap (two years ago the only rheobus on the market was the PCMods Rheobus and it was $80).

Your question about tubing size depends entirely on what other components you have. The wrong tubing choice can ruin a good set-up.

Likewise, pump selection is key, and the wrong pump choice can make for a really innefficent system.

Start by reading around www.procooling.com , they have great articles and how too's on the fundamentals.