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Old 30-July-03, 02:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, let me begin by saying that i finally received all my components in the mail recently for my watercooled system. I felt just like a kid in a candy store. Thats about when the fun stopped. I'll just list the obstacles from here on out otherwise i fear i'll just start rambling incoherently like a drunk schizophrenic.

1.) Trips to Home Depot....7 and counting. Need I say more?

2.) Had to cut sheet metal for my rad shroud with a Rotomatic.
http://www.alltvstuff.com/rotm1.html
I think I would have been better off with something like this:
http://www.kultoys.com.au/plastictoys/plastic5.htm
Seriously if you're thinking about buying one of these just spare yourself the aggravation and slam the door on your nuts instead. It will be less painful....I swear.

3.) Had to drill holes for the fans ...with the trusty Rotomatic. 10 minutes each x 8 = 80 minutes + the time you'll have to spend enlarging the holes because drilling with the Rotomatic is like a retarded person trying to walk on ice.

4.) Lapping the waterblocks and heatsink for my chipset went pretty well until i got to the good old Dangerden GPU block. One of the edges pf the copper plate on the bottom was about half a mm lower than all the rest (which is alot considering the plate is only about 1mm thick to begin with). I sanded it for about 3 hours til i said f*ck it. Ill just have to put more AS there.

5.) After thats done I leave them to dry for about an hour. I come back into the garage and what do i find? The fingerprints of my 7-year-old sister all over the bottom. Dug in trash for the 1500 grit and repeated.

6.) On to the next challenge....getting the tubing out of the PCI slots and to the radiator. Only problem is the little steel beam in between the two slots. Back to the Rotomatic I love so damn much. 2 hours later...

7.) Now on to cutting the tubing. Ended up being short one foot becuase the store i had ordered it from cut it a foot short...go figure. Back to Home Depot...

8.) Well, I figured, all the hard stuff was done now. HA. Time to connect and fill the system for the first time in the bath tub....or not. My girlfriend wants to take a shower. Off to the sink we go. She's done taking a shower, now on to dinner. *sigh* Finally got settled in the garage.

9.) Filling this water system and getting all the air out is one of the hardest things I think I've done to date. For all you would-be watercooled ppl, take this little test to see if you have the discipline and determination to do this: take your fist, ball it up, and punch yourself as hard as you possibly can right in the face. If you feel you can't enough velocity on your own, ask a friend for help. Now, if you survive this and still want to go through with it, be my guest. Seriously though, even after following Putwig's guide on how to do this and making that little plastic bottle contraption, it was a pain in the ass. After several hours of trial and error I finally got it working to find 2 substantial leaks in the system........my Swiftech fill-and-bleed kit (DO NOT BUY THIS. MAKE YOUR OWN. YOU WILL THANK ME LATER) and my LRWW CPU waterblock. The Swiftech has really weird connections.....well not really even connections but holes. 1/2" holes on each side into which my tubing doesn't fit (1/2" ID + 1/8th " wall = too damn big). I haven't found a stisfactory solution to this problem yet so if anyone could suggest something here that would be great. ( What I did was cut some of the supplied tubing into little pieces so that I could replace the hard plastic tubing connecting the 3 different sections together and placed them on the outside. They are just enough for my tubing to fit over....but there is still a little leak.) The WW waterblock's connectors allow my tubing to slip over them too loosely, and even with clamps on there it still leaks, so tomorrow I'm off to Home Depot once again to buy some plumber's putty or something. SON OF A B*TCH. This was about the time i spaced out and threw the bucket of water i had against the garage door and left for fear of harming my pricey but dysfunctional little system.

I feel better, but then there's always tomorrow, and considering that I haven't installed any of this stuff yet or re-wired my case (also this week) I'm sure you'll be hearing from me again soon enough.
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Old 30-July-03, 02:36 AM   #2 (permalink)
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But just think it will all be worth it in the end when you have one pimp-a$$ W/C system
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Old 30-July-03, 02:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thats why its still called extreme cooling- Nothing that is easy is extreme.
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Old 30-July-03, 02:52 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You will feel better once it's done, and cool.
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Old 30-July-03, 03:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
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when i see some watercooled cases on [H}ardOCP forum and around the net i think "hey look at that now how hard can this really be"

when i sit down to do a job it turns out JUST like yours man i feel your pain and all i have to say is keep trucking dude you'll get her
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Old 30-July-03, 03:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If I put my head in a vice and gave myself a home labotomy, would that be a good enough pre-test for a Peltier and a Waterblock a friend just gave me?

Good luck! I'm sure you will post some pics from it soon!
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Old 30-July-03, 05:02 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Too Much Information there necro, thats just discusting.

|Anonomous|, I know exactly how you feel, but not to the extent that you have felt the pain. Took me 5 trips to Crappy Tire just to get the right amound of window moulding and paint for my server mod. Took a painstaking week to try and get my LCD to work, so I said **** it, threw it out and bought a used Hitachi 14" LCD, guess what then? DOESNT WORK! Cold Cathode lamp is dead, so what do i do? Go order a 6" White Cold Cathode lamp, still two weeks later and its not to be seen. Great service don't ya think? Think "****UPS" lost my package, but well have to wait and see.
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Old 30-July-03, 05:15 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Sorry there Banana Boy, I just had an image in my head I had to share with you all, got me thinking after reading his story of what I may be up against with a Peltier and W/C.....
I have used neither...But when parts like that fall in your lap what else can u do?
Was starting to read up on them in the forums, and this is the first post I picked to read.
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Old 30-July-03, 05:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Your too funny Necro. Yeah I planned on W/Cing my Athlon 64 (possible Opteron instead) setup which I plan on getting shortly, but from this story you've scared me away.
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Old 30-July-03, 05:26 AM   #10 (permalink)
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My Clan Co-Founder and team leader just picked a song for our websight " I ain't scared of nothin! " by BoneCrusher

I suggest you check it out....




I hope u don't mind BBoy! this is my first Flame post!
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Old 30-July-03, 05:30 AM   #11 (permalink)
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. *COUGH bitch COUGH*. cough, I didn't say anything, nothing to see here. . FLAME WHORE!
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Old 30-July-03, 05:59 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You could have saved yourself the headache and money by just buying a round trip ticket to Germany, and buying some Aqua Computer stuff . Yes, I'm still trying to find a way to get their goods, but no trips in my squadron have come up to Germany....
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Old 30-July-03, 06:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, I am sorry you are having a tough go.

Sounds like your rotary tool bites the big hoop! What bits are you using?

I am very surprised that your DD GPU block was milled incorrectly, do you have a picture of this 1/2mm ridge?

I always get my tubing locally, and I always say to the guy in the apron "may I please have 12 feet of this stuff", at 30 cents a foot .... I can afford a little extra!

The swiftech gear is 3/8" ID 1/2" OD. In a stupid move they broke from convention and labelled their product differently than every other company.

They sell an adapter:

http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant...egory_Code=TAF

Let me know if I can help further!
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Old 30-July-03, 07:44 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Now you guys know why my brand-new Dremel is still brand new after .... 7 months

I know this sort of thing of Stuff happens .... I am afwaid

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Old 30-July-03, 11:07 AM   #15 (permalink)
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lAnonymousl

when i see some watercooled cases on [H}ardOCP forum and around the net i think "hey look at that now how hard can this really be"


when i sit down to do a job it turns out JUST like yours man i feel your pain and all i have to say is keep trucking dude you'll get her


ya know when your at pimprig could we atleast be the named site

when i see some watercooled cased on PimpRig forum and around the net i think "hey look at that now how hard can this really be"

that looks much better
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Old 30-July-03, 12:26 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Those fittings are exactly what I need, Putwig! I've looked at Home Depot already but they dont seem to have them. Are these custom made by Swiftech, only, or can I find them somewhere else too? Another 5 bucks for shipping would be a real pain in my ass.

P.S. Ill attach pics of what my GPU blcok looks like and a "pre-modding" of my comp as soon as the camera gets done charging...
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Old 30-July-03, 12:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Well your right lAnonymousl a 10,000 rpm piece of TV junk for $19.95 is not a great tool. Dremel and Black and Deckers are 30-35 thousand rpm. And even then I wouldn't use my Dremel to drill with. Or even my cordless drill for that matter. Even a really cheap 1/4 or 3/8" corded drill would of made very short work of that. Right tool for the job.

This is the second time I've read of someone's tubing not being snug on standard 1/2" hose barbs. hmmm Anyway you could just go to home depot and buy 3/8 ID and 1/2" OD pvc tubing and replace the block barbs with 3/8"barb/ 1/4"NPT fittings. just make sure you use a little teflon tape. Most fittings don't have a o-ring like D-tek's. With the Swiftech kit inline you won't benefit much from 1/2" in the rest of the system anyway as it's made for 3/8" tubing. It would save you the wait for adapters.

I'd be interested in seeing the DD block as well, that surprises me it could be that far off spec. Good luck man.
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Old 30-July-03, 12:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Actually it only cost me 5 buck.......but still not a very good investment

For the WW im gonna just spakle some plumber's goop on there and thinking of just assembling my own F&B thats made for 1/2" tubing. I knew right off that Swiftech thing was too damn small. Oh well....back to Home Depot i guess. What am i up to now?......9 or so?
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Old 30-July-03, 03:46 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear about your woes there dude...anything worth having is worth working for...keep that in mind...your rig will be once complete and you'll be proud of it too...

Man I don;t know why but your original post was funny as hell...I can't help out much with the watercooling, but your alternative suggestions in point 2 and 9 had me busting a gut...thanks
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Old 30-July-03, 04:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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OK....as promised.

Picture of the GPU waterblock. Notice the darkish upper left corner that has caused me so much grief. Three hours down the friggin tube and no difference at all....
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