If you're not bothered about getting into the technical details of water cooling, just buy a pre assembled and filled kit. Easy as pie to install.

heh just to confuse you a little more. a black ice pro or extreme radiator will fit on that case too. i got one and that's what i'm using. anyways, there's people on here more knowledgable on WCing here so I'll leave the response to them

To help you a little I can share some of the experience I have had learning about water-cooling. I was like you in the dark, until I found pimprig :-)

My recommendation would be to start off with a kit setup such as one form Swiftech or DangerDen. The problem I ran into with my first kit (One From Swiftech, they do not make anymore) was the documentation, or rather lack there of.

So here are some links that might come in handy, They deal with older equ. but the principal is the same:

http://www.smartcomputing.com/Editor...2w02.asp&guid=

http://www.techimo.com/articles/i221.html

http://www.virtual-hideout.net/guide...t1/index.shtml

The best advice is to go slow!!! I was too excited to get my setup up and running and ended up messing up my first rad.

You can't go wrong with a DangerDen set up. And 1/2" is the way to go.

Just pick one, all of those manufacturer's make very good products. It's just a matter of which one you like best. But if it's an answer you want, then I would suggest the DangerDen equipment... their radiators are probably some of the best around, especially the Black Ice Extreme III rads.

I can help ya pick out some pimpin gear, but first what are we cooling? What cpu, what gpu?

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky I can help ya pick out some pimpin gear, but first what are we cooling? What cpu, what gpu?

Sparky, I guess i should have given you guys that info

We are going to water-cool the following.

MSI 845G Max MoBo
Pentium 4 2.4 Ghz
1.5 Gb RAM
AGP Matrox Millennium G450 (i would like to WaterCool these too)
PCI Tridents Cyberblade (i would like to WaterCool these too)

1.5GB of RAM? I think you are killing performance there. Can you expand upon that please?

Before i recommend anything, are thes components going to be in your main rig when you transer them over? If not than id suggest not wasting your money with this test rig due to the only thing worth high end cooling is your processor. However if your going to upgrade let me know what it is you will be upgrading to and ill list some more components. Until than i leave you with a great radiator, pump, and reservoir.

Radiator Black Ice Extreme 2

Pump DangerDen D5

Reservoir Typhoon 120XL

Hope this helps and let us know bro.

Quote: Originally Posted by BigAkita 1.5GB of RAM? I think you are killing performance there. Can you expand upon that please?

BigA, thanks for fixing my Sig, the ram is ONY PC3200 DDR400 512 Sitcks. three of them since that is all that the MoBo Supports. What do you mean Killing Proformance?

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky Before i recommend anything, are thes components going to be in your main rig when you transer them over? If not than id suggest not wasting your money with this test rig due to the only thing worth high end cooling is your processor. However if your going to upgrade let me know what it is you will be upgrading to and ill list some more components. Until than i leave you with a great radiator, pump, and reservoir.

I am building a new rig with a DFI Lanparty nF4 SLI-DR
two non Sli ATI x800 Readion 128Mb PCI-e cards and a AMD 64 x2 3800+ or an AMD 64 X2 4400+ depending on the money issue but i had planned on heeping the WC rig in the current machine and building a new one for the "Kobalt" Rig

You can't go wrong with any of the choices you listed, all make excellent equipment. The Thermochill is an excellent rad, I have one. And you can buy it with 1/2" or 3/8" fittings. Mixing Innovatek with American plumbed gear is more difficult since it is all 8 mm ID, converting to 3/8" requires special fittings that can be hard to find. 1/2" fittings for Innovatek are near impossible to find and don't really improve performance any.

As evidenced by my recent review, Innovatek can produce simply outstanding results, even with the 8 mm tubing. But is also rather expensive. Especially the kit I reviewed.

DangerDen is a no brainer. They make some of the best "bang for the buck" equipment around.

Tubing size is really a personal preference, the difference between sizes is generally a degree or less using the same gear. Block, pump and radiator choice is MUCH more important.

This dicsussion could go on for ages....

Okay, like everyone else said, I agree that the mfg you are looking at all make good stuff, so you really can't go wrong.

Tubing size is, as AntiM stated, more personal preference and dependant upon your blocks/rad. I have had setups that use 1/2", 3/8",. 8mm, and 10mm and reviewed stuff from Switftech, Danger Den, PolarFLO, AlphCool, and Koolance and they all perform pretty good. Some better then others, but overall good. The real trick is to match up the the flow rate and pressure with the right blocks.

Teh 8mm stuff is designed for lower flow applications then the 1/2" and 3/8". So if you want small tubing stick with blocks from Innovatek, Alphacool, Koolance, Aqua Computing, etc. If you want bigger tubing then go with blocks from Danger Den, Switech, or PolarFLO.

One thing I learned is that even with blocks with 1/2" barbs you can use 3/8" tubing. Why? Simple, the 1/2" barbs are designed for tubing with 1/2" Iside Diameter, the the diameter of the bard is less then 1/2", as a matter of fact it is very close to 3/8". So putting 3/8 tubing on 1/2 barbs works fine. The trick is getting the tubing to fit. I like the PrimoFlex from Voyeurmods since it is soft and stretches easily. But even if you use CLearFLX or Tygon simply let the end of the tubing sit in some really hot (almost boiling) water for a few minutes to soften it up and then slip it on.

As far as radiators go, DD BlackIce Extreme series is very good, I have used many of them. I hear that ThermoChill is also really good, though I have never used one, and of course heater cores are excellent, but don't always fit the way you might want them to.

Pumps, the Danger Den D5 (or the Swiftech or PolarFlow versions) is excellent choice as is the smaller DDC.

Good luck!

Quote: As far as radiators go, DD BlackIce Extreme series is very good, I have used many of them. I hear that ThermoChill is also really good, though I have never used one, and of course heater cores are excellent, but don't always fit the way you might want them to.

I upgraded from a Swiftech 2x120 radiator to a Black Ice Extreme III (3x120) along with a Swiftech Storm CPU Block and my temps droped 5-8C

So Yah go with a Black Ice Rad

Fantastic information, do you guys think that i should just WC the processor on Test Rig or should i do as much as i can? Whats the deal with the "fluid" solutions should i use a produce ot jet get DI water?