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Old 24-February-05, 03:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Help me fix my H2O loop

I have decided that since it's water change time, I ought to redo my loop to better my cooling.

Pardon the dark pics (they're from my phone), but this is how my machine currently looks:




Also pardon the size; I don't have Photoshop on my machine here at work.

My loop consists of:
Thermochill HE 2.0 Rad
DD TDX
DD M4 GPU
DD M4 Chipset
DD Dual bayres
DD D4 Pump

I have since decided to go to a T-Line and Danger Den's new tiny pump, since it has the inlet and outlet on the same side.

So the new loop is:

Thermochill HE 2.0 Rad
DD TDX
DD M4 GPU
DD M4 Chipset
DD Filliport
DD DDC12 Pump

I'd also like to clean up the rats nest of wiring towards the front of the case. Any suggestions on how to route the tubes and such now? I want something show-off worthy.
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Old 24-February-05, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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nice dood! how about hiding some of those wires? maybe behind the mobo tray and behind a few pieces of metal here and there!

i kinda wish there was more light, can anyone take these pics and lightem up? i trust that its a really good setup,, but i really wanna see it gotta check out the gear
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Old 24-February-05, 03:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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lol, all the hardware is listed in my sig...

The fan-rad-fan setup is in the hard drive compartment. I think everything else is pretty self-explanitory. I'd like to be able to show off the Corsair ram due to the LED's on it...

Here's the loop:

Rad-CPU-GPU-Chipset-Bayres-Pump
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Old 24-February-05, 08:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If you want to improve your cooling you certainly don't want to move to a weaker pump, especially with a impingement block. I can see you don't have a great deal of room to work with, but if you could build even a small fan shroud for the radiator, it would help. If it was mine, I'd probably cut a 120 mm size hole in the bottom of the case just behind the radiator and see if that helps.
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Old 25-February-05, 08:33 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Khellandros66 said the same thing. I'm actually going to mount an 80mm fan in a blow hole directly below the hard drives. As for the pump, I was told it's all that CPUKiller uses now.

Here's some pics of how the loop looks now. I just have to figure out how to bleed it better, as it has an absolute ton of air in it.





Note that the powersupply and SATA drives are not connected in those pics. I also haven't done anything with the wires. Lastly, the pump is located under my DVD-RW drives (where the Bayres used to be).

I also didn't drill a hole for the Filliport yet either... it was late, I was tired, and I didn't have a large enough drillbit.
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Old 25-February-05, 12:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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H3LLSPAWN if you are ready to work on the rig gimmea buzz I am free this Sunday.

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Old 25-February-05, 12:31 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Khellandros66 said the same thing. I'm actually going to mount an 80mm fan in a blow hole directly below the hard drives. As for the pump, I was told it's all that CPUKiller uses now.


Don't quote me on this, but the only pics I have seen of cpukiller using it he was running two of them in the same loop? You might want to double check that.
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Old 25-February-05, 12:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bob:

Sunday before 1pm is cool for me, or after ?, as I have some sidework.

Specialblend:

Yes, in parallel I was told.
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Old 25-February-05, 01:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
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i couldn't even find a 1" drill bit . .. largest i saw was a 1/2" so i ended up just dremeling the hole out. guess i'll take a run to ace today and look around again. gotta get some paint anyways.
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Old 25-February-05, 01:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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i couldn't even find a 1" drill bit . .. largest i saw was a 1/2" so i ended up just dremeling the hole out. guess i'll take a run to ace today and look around again. gotta get some paint anyways.


Your probably better off getting a 1 inch holesaw. Also 1 inch holesaw are fairly cheap compared to the 3 and 4 inch ones.
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Old 25-February-05, 02:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i couldn't even find a 1" drill bit . .. largest i saw was a 1/2" so i ended up just dremeling the hole out. guess i'll take a run to ace today and look around again. gotta get some paint anyways.

I suppose thats a benefit of having a father with every tool in the free world... in the basement... somewhere...
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Old 25-February-05, 10:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Your machine, your money...

Instead of drilling/dremeling a hole for a fillport, I just used the upright from the right edge of the mobo "tray" to zip-tie (as high as possible, out of sight, but still able to fill) the T-line tubing, and used a 1/2" screw to plug it+zip tie to keep it somewhat airtight, once all the air had been bled out...

I also mounted everything inside the case, as if I had already leak-tested, just didn't plug in the PSU (no 'lectrocution here). As long as the T-line is the very last thing before the pump inlet, once you start filling, all the big and little air bubbles should make their way thru the loop and come up thru the T-line. You do have to watch it until it starts to level out...

I know it probably goes against the "best way" to do it, but I was somewhat pressed for time, and I figured if it *did* leak, I could shut it down and let the parts dry out before I tried it again...

Hope that helps ya!
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Old 26-February-05, 03:58 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Your machine, your money...

Instead of drilling/dremeling a hole for a fillport, I just used the upright from the right edge of the mobo "tray" to zip-tie (as high as possible, out of sight, but still able to fill) the T-line tubing, and used a 1/2" screw to plug it+zip tie to keep it somewhat airtight, once all the air had been bled out...

I also mounted everything inside the case, as if I had already leak-tested, just didn't plug in the PSU (no 'lectrocution here). As long as the T-line is the very last thing before the pump inlet, once you start filling, all the big and little air bubbles should make their way thru the loop and come up thru the T-line. You do have to watch it until it starts to level out...

I know it probably goes against the "best way" to do it, but I was somewhat pressed for time, and I figured if it *did* leak, I could shut it down and let the parts dry out before I tried it again...

Hope that helps ya!

Well, it seems that I've done almost everything right... except that when I was building the loop... my t-line is on the outlet side of the pump. I think I'm going to end up with the ziptied filliport also.

The machine is alot quieter now with the new fans, however I have watched my cpu temps rise from 32c up to 41c now as I type this on it. My machine's been on for 10 minutes. I do have F@H running in the background.
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Old 26-February-05, 04:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I used the T-line before the inlet after Zennzzo suggested it. The logic being that the bubbles climb to the topmost portion of the tubing runs, so when they make it to the T-line, they naturally escape. Some still make it to the inlet, but gradually the loop is purged, and the coolant level in the T-line stabilizes...
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Old 26-February-05, 04:20 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i got a couple of fillports so that i can drain and refill my loop without opening up the case. gotta find the right thread size for the fillport so i can use it like a bulkhead fitting for another case. turns out the fittings that are used for reservoirs are about 1mm smaller than the fillport. going to take it to ace and see if they have anything that fits into it well.

hmm i guess i could just pm cpukiller and ask him what size it is though . ..
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Old 26-February-05, 09:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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i got a couple of fillports so that i can drain and refill my loop without opening up the case. gotta find the right thread size for the fillport so i can use it like a bulkhead fitting for another case. turns out the fittings that are used for reservoirs are about 1mm smaller than the fillport. going to take it to ace and see if they have anything that fits into it well.

hmm i guess i could just pm cpukiller and ask him what size it is though . ..

Are you talking about the brass plug in the fillport?

If so they are 1/2 npt threads.
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Old 28-February-05, 01:57 PM   #17 (permalink)
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i have a Tline setup right before the inlet as well. i have found it only takes a few hours for thigns to calm down in the loop after the initial filling.

i went from a Hydor L40 pump @ 33C full load to a DD D4 pump that i saw hit 41C this morning under full load. im not that really impressed with this pump performace wise. but being able to run off the PSU and that fact it is so small im more than happy with. i have a feeling tho i may go back ot my Hydor eventually as i dont like seeing those high temps.

also, i have one of these fillports from dangerden.
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...6&cat=0&page=1

i dont have it mounted to the cae, and it freely hangs inside my comp. eventually i will prolyl go to a res, but thats still in the air right now.
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Old 28-February-05, 02:56 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I had a chat with CPU Killer , and I think I might be adding a second DDC pump, simply because it'd be cheaper than converting all my blocks to 3/8.

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i went from a Hydor L40 pump @ 33C full load to a DD D4 pump that i saw hit 41C this morning under full load. im not that really impressed with this pump performace wise. but being able to run off the PSU and that fact it is so small im more than happy with. i have a feeling tho i may go back ot my Hydor eventually as i dont like seeing those high temps.

I don't see how changing the pump can affect your performance that bad, I know the L40 has more head but 8 degrees really doesn' seem possible, something else has to be affecting it. Are you sure the moutning pressure is the same as was before? Also where are you getting these temps from?
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Old 28-February-05, 04:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Ok, lets see about these last thre posts..

1. The threads on the fillport (and all newer DD waterblocks) are 9/16-18 NF

2. The D4 pump will outperform the Hydors, check you block mounting.

3. The DDC is a good pump. But I personally run 2 of them in any of my systems what are 1/2 " I run them in paralled. if I was running a 3/8 system, then I use only one.. (this is what my test bench is.)

I prefer the sound levels of the DDC. The D4 is the more powerfull of the 2, and a better match to the TDX and RBX waterblocks when everything is set up for 1/2.
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