Ok,
I have definitly decided to buy a water cooling system. I need everyones advice as to what i schould buy and where i can buy it cheapest.
plz reply with advice

I like XOXIDE.COM. I've purchased alot of stuff from them. They're priced pretty well. Some other good alternatives are; HARDDRIVE.COM or PLYCON.COM

Links:
www.harddrive.com
www.xoxide.com
www.plycon.com
www.crazypc.com

Ok, you kinda just chucked that out there!

You need to do some thinking before any one can help you with anything! You need to decide:

1. what you hope to accomplish? Ultimate cooling and a great oc? Quiet and efficient cooling? Just doing it for fun and challenge?

2. what are your space constaints? Full tower, mid tower, mini tower? Do you want your entire system to fit within your case? Can the rad/res/ pump be outside the case?

3. are you hoping to buy a complete kit? or were you going to buy seperate items and assemple the ultimate combination? Were you hoping to get some stuff (pump and heater core) locally?

4. how much do you know about watercooling and what is involved? Do you have a good idea of what you will need?

Piper and I love helping folks with their water questions, and there are many others here as well who are eager to help.....but you gotta do your homework first.

Think about some of these questions, read all the old threads in the water cooling section of the forums (where we have helped several others ). And then get back to us.

LOL, putwig you got this one, ill leave it to the experts

Lord_Nikon, Putwig will have you in good shape and I will be listening in just in case there is something that he misses.

But to be honest, he don't miss

He will find out what you want, and "suggest" what you need, and you will get enough info to make a good descission.

And when it comes in, you will have questions about installation and maintenance, and he will be there for that too.

And I know both Putwig and myself welcome any other assistance from you other guys. Neither of us are perfect, and we do have other lives which sometimes keep us away for short times.

OK:
I have a 2.54 p4 I think i would really like to oc it to 3.0..which can be done as i have seen it in maxpc.
One of the biggest reasons i am buying water-cooling is my mod idea (check out "micro-wave grills..how can i get them in" thread in case mods) becouse if i install this mod, air cooling would be innefective beacous emy case wouldnt be insulated propelry.
then comes video cooling, which i am going to wait on becouse my vid-card is only a radeon 7000 and dosent really need hard core cooling (unless i could over-clock it which i am interested in but dont know how) so i would just wait it out untill i got a new card to buy a card cooling block
My case is a lian li pc7 mdi tower, and i would like everything to fit inside as part of my mod would be glowing fluid tubes...seen threw the microwave screen (see my mod idea)
my finances would prob be about 300$.... mybe a little less and i would like to go the more fun way and buy single parts.....or mybe i schould just buy a kit...
so i hope that helps you

PLz guys....I need to present to my dad what I want to buy....i know you are helping me so i dont want to be a dick.....but some feedback would be nice

Hmmmmmmm..........
I just read up on the coolence exos......sounds interssting...but sounds wimpy. I do kinda think i might have a slight space issue with my midi- tower, although i am sure it can be solved.
what is all of youre oppinions of the coolence exos system?(also is a little expensive)
EDIT:
I just went to harddrive and i am liking the kit they have there as it is price wise the best i have seen......well...again i await oppinions.

I am buying it. Ive read reviews everywhere on it , and everyone seems to like it , pretty simple thery say, " have you runnin in minutes!!". Only downfall is price , I'm waiting a lil bit to buy it to see if others will follow and copy it so everyones price will drop.

Ok Nikon. I am busy at the moment. I have not forgotten about you or this thread.

Please do not rush in and buy something, if you don't carefully consider what you are getting and why, you will likely be very dissapointed!

More in a bit.

So, if I understand correctly your main motivation for water cooling is just because you want to try it. Fine.

You are interested in some overclocking etc, but it doesn't sound like you need a super high performance system. Also, You have a P4 so you won't need a super cooled rig anyhow.

You want to start with CPU cooling and possibly add a GPU cooler at a later date.

It is important that everything fit within your case.

OK I am going to start by recommending a 3/8 " system powered by a roughly 150-250 GPH pump (I would go with an Eheim 1048 or a Magdrive 250). If you were doing CPU alone I would say Eheim 1046, but with the possibility of adding a second block later you should probably get the extra juice.

You size constraints will impact you in a couple areas:

1. your choice of radiator - the heart of your cooling, yet many popular choices are a tight squeeze in a mid tower. Only you know how much space you have in your case and will need to choose accordingly.

My preferences are for automobile heater cores (cheap and very effective but on the large side), there are several small sized rads available including the black ice mini (expensive but decent), the 5"x7" in the kit you listed (that is actually the rad I currently have). There were also some black low pressure drop rads that were designed for use with an 80mm fan (very small footprint and OK performance) maybe Piper knows where they ended up.

2. Reservoir or no reservoir.

gotta feed baby....start there I will be back!

OK, so reservoirs.

Some pumps need to be submerged in order to operate. Obviously using one of these will necessitate a reservoir. The pumps I suggested above can all be used submerged or inline. Do to your size restrictions you will likely either want a res/pump combo or an inline pump and skip the res altogether.

This would suit you fine as the only real function of a res in an inline sytem is filling and air trapping (both of which can be accomplished with much smaller measures.

Enough about reservoirs.

Waterblocks - many are available with 3/8 " fittings. Danger Den Maze 2&3, Swiftek, Gemini, Silverprop.......etc. All good blocks.

Just a quick note about kits. Every kit on the market has strengths and weaknesses. Ideally you would get the best part from each manufacturer, but the shipping would freaking kill you.

Most kits come complete, but don't let a bunch of crap fool you........tubing is worth $2.50, hose clamps about $0.50, a funnel? You are buying a rad, a block, and a pump. Add it up accordingly.

Koolance Exos very easy and convenient......but a mediocre bang for a rather large buck!

The CPUFx kit (from hardrive) decent block, the rad would fit your space issues. The pump....well they don't really talk about it do they......exactly. I have the block and the rad, bought my pump locally and made my own res. I don't know about P4 mounting, but the AMD mounting hardware is terrible (at least it was 8 months ago).

Anyhow, ponder my ramblings, do some research and window shopping and let me know what you are thinking.

NoSlak, I would wait and check out more performance numbers on it before I'd worry about a price drop. You are running a pretty hot chip now so you will want all the performance you can get. I read 2 reviews on that water rig where they raved about the design, but I'm more worried about the performance.

kk,thx.mmm smell the chicken pot pie.

Ok,
I need an opinion on this radiator.....is this ok? and what size fan would this use?
http://www.crazypc.com/Merchant2/mer...duct_Code=9312

WOW
I think i found what i want....but i really need youre oppinion before i make up my wind......
I am really liking the Ahanix Iceberg I Water Cooling Kit
that they have on www.sharkacorp.com..its cheap...pump and radiator...looks good....looks realiable....
well an oppinion would be nice
EDIT:
this radiaotr looks like its amazingly small...
http://store.sharkacorp.com/customer...&cat=37&page=1

That is really just a standard Heater Core Rad from a car parts store with a couple of fittings thrown on it.

It will work, but at that price you can either buy better, or you can get the same thing, and put the fittings on yourself for half the price.

Ok, I have one here at the house for a review.

The reservoir cracked, the block is rough aluminum, the radiator is aluminum and weak. The only thing I really like was that little submersable pump. It surprised me.

But at $100 and the only thing I would want to keep is the pump, well, I'll just buy a good pump and my Rad for that money, and spend some more on my blocks.

I can't help myself Putwig

"Hello, my name is Lloyd and I am a water cooling addict "

My opinion of the Ahanix kit is pretty low.

If you have decided on a kit I would be sniffing around Danger Den and High Speed PC (innovatech gear).

A kick a$$ setup from Danger Den will run you about $210.

A kick A$$ set up from Innovatech (that is totally pimp and will make me drool) would be about $325.

If I were you:

Danger Den Maze 3 - $43
Eheim 1048 - $57
Black Ice Micro - $45 (fits 80 mm fan)

All of the above are at www.dangerden.com

Get your tubing, hose clamps, and any extra fittings locally ( call it $20 and that is generous) ....might get that pump (or a Magdrive 2 ) cheaper locally as well.

A decent 80mm fan from wherever $10

You are in like flynn for $175 and I think your hoses etc would be closer to ten bucks.

You will notice I left out a reservoir. This pump can run inline. You don't need a res, and it will save you real estate within your case.

That gives you a wicked pump and water block, a very good radiator that is well suited to your case dimensions. All your fittings will be 3/8" which makes sourcing out local fittings etc a breeze and also makes future upgrades easy.

This set up would eat the Ahanix iceberg for breakfast!

If your interested........here are my thoughts on that Ahanix iceberg kit.

Woa....thx for the reply..
I am amazed at danger den.....(dident even know they existed) and will most probably go with what you have listed there...(with a few little dewhickies of my own)
Where can i get the other stuff locally? hardware store...? or what?
what is a water wetter and what does it do?

I am a little woried about that there arent screw on fittings and only like hose on fittings to the blocks.......wont that leak more easely