I was wondering if they make 80mm Rad's or if you could tell me what would fit inside my case. My case is Aspire X-Pider.

Ummm yeah I just wanna know basically what kinda setup I should get. 12V Pump from DD be a good choice too, or not? Basically I want something that'll keep my temps to basically the temperature of the case, which is always room temperature or 2 degrees higher, so its quite efficient.

Yes there are 80mm radiators.. though, from what I've heard when I asked about them, they're not as good as something larger (obviously, I would hope.. lest I get into how rads cool things)

Anything can fit, if you want to do the work for it

After lookin at the DD 12v pump ... all I can say is, wow that looks pretty shady.. and its twice as much as the hydors, and still about $10-$20 over the eheims.. but on the up-side, its small.. so easier to fit in your case..

P.S. Take what I say with a grain of salt.. I don't run water cooling in my own rig.. I just have been reading up on it a lot lately

Maybe there are other 12V pumps out there? I want a powerful 12V pump opposed to an AC pump, just because its an annoyance factor to me if i gotta cut and run a 110v lead to it. I would prefer some sort of heatercore/radiator that'd fit where my two rear 80mm fans are, but my problem is that it uses those gay purple fan brackets, so I'm stumped as to what to do. Any suggestions here people?

Quote: Originally Posted by AMD Daddy Maybe there are other 12V pumps out there? I want a powerful 12V pump opposed to an AC pump, just because its an annoyance factor to me if i gotta cut and run a 110v lead to it. I would prefer some sort of heatercore/radiator that'd fit where my two rear 80mm fans are, but my problem is that it uses those gay purple fan brackets, so I'm stumped as to what to do. Any suggestions here people?

It comes from a great source that the DD 12vt Lainge is the best one going...Small and more powerful than most of the 110vt units used.
The "den" beefed up their bay res's back pannel too and they come with the high-flow barbs. I'm looking up your case now and I 'll see what will fit where...

Black Ice Micro 2

^at the bottom of the page.. 2 80mm fans, dunno if it'd be a straight-up bolt on though..

12v pumps..

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/fro...ex-pmp-15.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/fro...ex-pmp-09.html

Probably can find em elsewhere too, just that's where I found em first.

P.S. Yeah Zennz, I didn't do much other than a quick glance at it... it looked small and very cheap plastic-y, and to me that screams shady... but like I said before, take what I say with a grain of salt.. I'm still doing my homework for my own WC setup

OK here are a couple of options:

A)
Thermo-chill 120.2 right here, mounted in the roof of the case with two 120's on a rheo.
A dangerden 12vt pump like this and a bay res, either a 2bay or single, like these
For a block I'd go the TDX or S-TDX the difference is like 75.00.
So for the top notch cooling you're looking at about 3-375.00...

or...

B)
Dual micro radiator mounted to the rear 2 x 80mm fan holes.
A hydor l-30 pump, a single 3.5 bay res and a TDX block. about 180.00

If I know you, you are prolly looking at some O/Cing and will prolly add a GPU block and possibly a Northy block in the future. I would go for the "A" system as you'll be able to add to that with out having to upgrade the pump and radiator later. the two extra blocks heat load, can be handled no problem...

Thanks for your help so far Zennzzo and The Outcast. Zen your right about me wanting to overclock. So far Zen you've got be hooked on the 12V DD Pump. Just a little curious but how many GPH does it pump? I like the STDX, might as well get the best of the best eh. I think I can only use a single 5 1/4" Resovoir bay, but do you think that is sufficient? I am still undecided about the rad setup and need a bit further help. This is what I'm still confused with about the rad's: How do they mount? Does the air just get blown into my case if I have it at the top of my case like you suggested Zen?

I will probably have Northie cooling aswell, as this Passive Heatsink really overheats when I'm running a 932FSB (233*4).

Little bit of questions about my OCing here too. I can OC to about 3.2ghz @ stock voltage easily, but I can only OC between 3.2 and 3.6 regardless of voltage unless my room is really cold because after 40c processor temp the machine just reboots. Last night I tried with my room really cold and aslong as i kept it under 38c I could get to a very high overclock (3.5+ghz @ 1.7v). Now I was just wondering if I want to go further would water cooling suffice, or would i need the negative temps to keep my Overclocks? Basically I'm asking if my water cooling will keep my temps to 30 or below.

Don't think I'll need a GPU Block yet, my GPU runs @ case temps with this massive Zalman cooler on it with a 35cfm 80mm fan blowing on it from my case side. Besides, I'm scared I'll fry my GPU, even though its only a 9600PRO AIW. When I fried my 9700PRO with even just 10mhz over stock in just over a month I got scared off from GPU Overclocking. But prove me wrong and I'll get a GPU Watercooling block too.

i ghouthg that heatercores were phenomonaly better....

See the attached PQ curve for that pump. You're interested in the line "D4". It is a very good pump....I plan on getting one too as soon as I have extra the money. I wouldn't waste the money on a silver TDX. $72 extra for a degree or two.....get real. Throw that money in the prommie fund. I can go from air to water and see no difference in my 2.4C overclock. A silver block sure as hell isn't gonna make a difference. The only real reason to get a silver block is for bragging rights or because it looks cool....that's about it.

Usually if you mount a rad at the top of your case it acts like a blowhole....pushing air out, not inward. You will probably need to drill some mounting holes and, depending on whether you buy a pre-modified rad or get a heater core from your local auto parts store, you may need to do a little DIY work on it.

The northie needs a 40mm fan and it should be fine, but if you're set on getting a NB WB, I'd suggest the DD Maze4.

Getting to 30 or below shouldn't be a problem given the components you're looking at, depending if your ambient temps are low enough.

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if your a beginner of sorts i sugest the zalman reserator for ease of setting up - everyone h8ts it on this site but i think it has potential. on a 3.9ghz OC pentium 4 (originally 3.2) it idles at 36 and lods at 41, under the usualt fan temps, and shows it has a good life span yet.

Besides the fact that I don't get the exilleration of building my own system, that thing is just plain obnoxious looking. The performance is quite respectable but that is just honestly nasty looking. Thanks for the idea though. Basically I just have to figure out what sort of Rad I will use. Thanks for the info on the Silver TDX, I'll just get a normal TDX.

Quote: Originally Posted by nev_payne if your a beginner of sorts i sugest the zalman reserator for ease of setting up - everyone h8ts it on this site but i think it has potential. on a 3.9ghz OC pentium 4 (originally 3.2) it idles at 36 and lods at 41, under the usualt fan temps, and shows it has a good life span yet.

I dont think it looks too bad.

The reserator isn't going to get you the results that a non-passive setup would. The reserator is more for people seeking quiet/silent water cooling.

As for the DD pump, it's really new and I haven't read too much on it. Personally, I dig on reliability so I'm kind of set on Eheim pumps, they are AC but there is one modded to run on DC--it isn't the most powerful though. You can look on frozencpu, I know they have it (but shop around, cause they are too expensive).

Have you considered a swiftech mcp600 pump? It runs on 12v and has a really decent pressure head which will give you real performance. They had a problem where the first ones had some sort of defect, but it has been addressed--if you get this one, make sure it's the 3rd revision, 90% chance it will be if you order from someone reputable or from swiftech themselves.

Bruce