ok i need some help im a noob with the water cooling i want to git a kit for the cpu,chipset an gpu i have a Abit NF7 V2.0 an i have a Gforce 4 Ti4200Se. i just want something that i can just through together an make it work.. well im just a noob help me out. LOL

Thanks for not using !!! in your post.

You will get better results from this thread if you do some research and post a 'how would this setup work' question instead of a 'hey guys, build me a system' question.

Do a PR search...suprisingly, you're not the first to ask about this.

Then Den has some good kits. You can also select individual parts if you dont want to buy a kit.

when i say i know nothing about this i mean it. i know absolutely nothing about water cooling i was looking at some stuff but im completely lost i dont know what i need at all.. i know i need a cpu block,chipset block an a Gpu block lol thats it

Quote: Originally Posted by MaTtsPc when i say i know nothing about this i mean it. i know absolutely nothing about water cooling i was looking at some stuff but im completely lost i dont know what i need at all.. i know i need a cpu block,chipset block an a Gpu block lol thats it

You're best option as a beginner would probably be the asetek kit.

I say this for several reasons.

1. It is a complete kit.
2. The components are all matched and well made.
3. It is extremely noob friendly. For instance it's impossible to over tighten the cpu mount on a asetek block. And hard to get it unevenly mounted.
4. It comes with a very well written manual.
5. It performs well.

Get the one with the Antartica cpu block and you'll be right up there with the best blocks made. You might do better price wise buying a custom kit. And possibly get better performance. But you'll need to do a great deal more research before jumping into it. Which I suggest anyway.

Quote: Originally Posted by MaTtsPc ok i need some help im a noob with the water cooling i want to git a kit for the cpu,chipset an gpu i have a Abit NF7 V2.0 an i have a Gforce 4 Ti4200Se. i just want something that i can just through together an make it work.. well im just a noob help me out. LOL

I agree with AntiM, you got some studying to do.

It's that "throw together and make work" thing that makes the hair on my neck stand up.

There is no throw together about water cooling...

You got to be careful when you assemble it and be on top of maintenance, always.

The set it and forget it H20 cooling system hasn't been made yet.

I just put my 1st loop together...just 15 mins ago. It's sitting in the living room for leak testing. I think your best bet is to forget the water for now, and invest in a better vid card. I really think you'll get more BANG for your buck that way. Wait till you're not such a noob to introduce water into your system...I've been gingerly stepping toward it for over a year now.

Slider is 100% right; if its performance you want spend the $200-250 a WC kit would cost on a 9800 Pro.

If you want water; well; if you plan to research it and then offer some ideas we can help you with a higher end setup, if you just want us to give you something then AntiM is spot on with the Astek kit; with the Antarctica block it even looks like there's something to upgrade to now. $250ish for everything isn't too bad.

Oh, and a friendly word of advice, seeing as you have yet to read up I want to be 100% sure you don;t miss this;

DO NOT BUY THERMALTAKE OR ANY OTHER CHEAP KIT, if you want to cool everything from a pre-made kit you WILL spend over $200 minimum; don't go budget here, it'll only hurt you. With WCing a penny spent on gear is a nickle saved because you didn't break something...

Ok, if I remember correctly from reading his previous posts, Mattspc isn't a noOb to computers, just to water cooling.

Let me say things this way Matt, I am sure if you don't read into this statement, then you won't misunderstand it.

"I don't recommend water cooling unless someone has a real need for it. That said, if anyone needs help with water cooling, I am there for you."

With that out of the way, let me say this. After a little over a year of fooling with water cooling, and examining every new piece of gear that comes out, I have determined that there are some smart moves, and some not so smart moves.

I will tell you that there are several good performing kits out there. But some are a little more proprietary then others. Specificly, Innovatek, Koolance, and a few others have special connectors, etc. that make it difficult to mix and match gear.

If you stick with the guys who support standard sized hose barbs you'll come out ahead.

DangerDen has been a top choice around here for awhile now. Their gear is solid, standardized, and reasonably priced. They have the lowest priced 12V pump going, it's also the most compact and still performs as well or better then any other 12V pump. I strongly suggest building your gear around this pump if you have a PSU that is rated for 400W or better.

This pump comes with 1/2" OD hose barbs, which means you have many options for other gear. Directron has the BlackIce II duel 120mm rad running for $50 right now as well. It's hard to find another commercial radiator at that price that would beat it. Throw in a DD RBX CPU block, and later add your GPU and Chipset blocks, that D4 pump has enough "Head" to handle it.

The rest is easy, you have several guys here that can help you out.

great post. icpicer is right im not a noob with pc's just water cooling an i know for a 100% fact if i can play with the stuff ill make it work. im good with my hands at that kind of stuff. but maybe you all are right i might not need need it now so im just goin to prolly go with a video card. ok i was looking at the 9800Pro an the 9600Xt the 9600Xt is faster then the 9800Pro whats up with that? an from newegg the 9600xt is 170$ an the 9800pro is 230$

9600 xt is not faster than the 9800 pro...

Quote: Originally Posted by mattspc icpicer is right im not a noob with pc's...i was looking at the 9800Pro an the 9600Xt the 9600Xt is faster then the 9800Pro whats up with that?

the clock speed on the 9600XT may be faster, but the 9800 will spank it all over the place. Faster clock speed does not necessarily mean faster performance. But you're not a noob, so you should already know that.

Joose were you talking to me or him?? I was of course refering to the performance when I made the statement that the 9600xt was not faster..I do not consider clock speeds whe nI am talkign about fast I always refer to performance..

Quote: Originally Posted by biohazardpc Joose were you talking to me or him?? I was of course refering to the performance when I made the statement that the 9600xt was not faster..I do not consider clock speeds whe nI am talkign about fast I always refer to performance..

I was talking to him..sorry...

a 9700 pro can beat a 9600xt even though the xt has faster clock speeds... it has to do with number of pipelines, clock speed, memory speed etc. so many factors are involved

ok thanks ill go with the 9800pro. now should i go oem or go retail? i know i can find the drivers for the card someware on line but is there a diff in warrenty? i know on AMD if u buy oem its 90 days an if u git Box its 3 years

Well I personally sugest going retail.. With oem you get a max of 30 day warrenty and retail you get 3 years..

now the 9800Pro is it a overclocker or what? i was doing a lil reeding up an ive found that it wasnt a good overclocker at all. but the sources werent to good i dont think

Check here:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=227071

Just for reference, stock speed is 380/680.

Mine overclocks pretty well. You should be able to get over 400 MHz easily on just stock cooling.

I have the Sapphire 9800pro
(el cheapo, plain, bulk boxed, ghetto priced model)200bux,Remember once OC'd, warrenty is VOID so save the money,
and I seen it as low as 194.00 newegg.com
It was Omega'd, M-4 blocked. volt modded. to this 515/397, monster and 7230 3dMark03 points.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2277356
It's the sub 200buc card of choice right now...plenty of playroom, till the PCI-x stuff hits the market...