The Battle Box
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Cooler Master Silver Case
600watt Power supply
AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 OC'd
Asus K8V deluxe m/b
2gb Corsair DC PC3200 ECC memory
2 200gb Maxtor SATA 150
BFG Geforce 6800GT 256mb (default)
1000W UPS w/ $100,000 warranty
19in. Advueu LCD monitor
Sound Blaster Audigy 2
5.1 Logitech 500W home entertainment system
Keyboard Viewsonic slim
MX510 logitech mouse

Cooling System
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DangerDen A64-DDR8X waterblock
MAZE4 chipset block
M4GPU block
1/2 Tygon Tubing and fittings
Black Ice Xtreme II Blue
Evercool Chrome Dual 120mm Fans
DD12v-D4 Pump
DangerDen Resevoir

PRICE
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4,999.99


If this box was built, and sent to you fully setup and oc'd would you consider buying it? for that price? What would be a fair price to you?

no way in hell...

using ECC memory I'm guessing thats a s940 based rig; no way in hell; its outdated by a mile...
600w PSU then you say 1000w PSY w/ $100k warrenty? WTH?
6800 Gt with all that? hell no
Advueu LCD? what the hell is that? Dell's are best especially for the $$$

and considering the OC's you show in your sig; I dont trust you to overclock a friggin clock to run 5 min fast; no way your gonna touch my $5k rig.


even if someone is offering to sell this to you hell no; make your own for far less $$$

for $4875 (aprox) I can make a rig that will look at that one and laugh

well...that board only uses ECC memory. and that was only the basic setup..not including the overclocking ram, and oc'ing the vid card, and ocing the fx-53 to a decent amount to be stable enough to sell, OH and outdated maybe, but there is nothing else new for those types of boards/ and or processors at a reasonable price...
Please tell me the specs of this system that would stomp that one into dust? I'm curious (not trying to be a **** i really am curious)
This system was just a quick think up, if i sat for 10 more minutes, i could probably. have figured out that would whoop it too. But if you do know of any other GOOD m/b's that would run with the fx-53, and run good... i would like to know which ones...since i could only really find the Asus...haven't looked at abit yet...but i'm guessing they have one too.
Thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted by memory remains well...that board only uses ECC memory. and that was only the basic setup..not including the overclocking ram, and oc'ing the vid card, and ocing the fx-53 to a decent amount to be stable enough to sell, OH and outdated maybe, but there is nothing else new for those types of boards/ and or processors at a reasonable price... Please tell me the specs of this system that would stomp that one into dust? I'm curious (not trying to be a **** i really am curious) This system was just a quick think up, if i sat for 10 more minutes, i could probably. have figured out that would whoop it too. But if you do know of any other GOOD m/b's that would run with the fx-53, and run good... i would like to know which ones...since i could only really find the Asus...haven't looked at abit yet...but i'm guessing they have one too. Thanks.

Replace that Socket 940 with a Socket 939 FX-53. Replace mobo with a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum. Replace the 6800GT with a 6800 Ultra Extreme. Replace that cooling system with phase-change, cascade, or vapochill system (which would get you a lot higher stable overclocks). Replace HDD's with dual 74Gig Raptors in Raid 0. Quadruple Seagate 350Gig 16Mb Cache for storage in Raid 0+1.

That'll kick your system's ass.

yeah, but how much would phase-change cost. I just want to know so i can look into it. Can you recommend any sites for it.

I've heard phase change and thermo-chill are awesome, but haven't heard much on them just that they rock.
Thanks.

http://www.akiba-pc.com/news.php

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php

look around...should get you started

well..now that everyone got off my damn computer..lol...
I can build a similar system with dual 200gb SATA 150 drives
2gb Kingston HyperX PC3200
BFG Geforce 6800 GT
MSI K8T Neo2
AMD Athlon 64 3800+
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
19" LCD monitor
same entertainment system as posted above

Now i just need to find an appropriate cooling system.
I'm still thinking about the raid drives...but still want to come up with a system that is SOMEWHAT cost effecient...lol it already basically sits at roughly $3400

No.

Two reasons....

1. Money. Gotta have it and if I've got that much in my pocket, it'll find it's way into a g-string within 24 hours.
2. What in the world could I possibly do to fully utilize the resources that this system would provide? What I have is sufficient for my needs. This would be like signing up for all the movie channels when I never watch more than 2 hours of TV a week (mostly South Park, in case you're wondering).

Rob

oh i know, it's waay more than i would ever need. but there are some spoiled brats out here. Heh.. and it's just a new thought beyond just repairing peoples PC's. Another side job if you will...i've done a coupel already, but only basic comps, for small businesses and such.. I just wanted to see what peoples input would be on a bad ass gaming system. granted this sytem would be damn near 6k with some of the stuff i can think up, and it could OC like a dream.

I usually make the computers custom, not pre-made for people...but in case someone would ask me what the best of the best was...then i would at least have a standpoint of what to tell them.

Quote: Originally Posted by memory remains I usually make the computers custom, not pre-made for people...but in case someone would ask me what the best of the best was...then i would at least have a standpoint of what to tell them.

how would you make a premade computer?

personally i would rather take about $1200 bucks down to the local computer parts store and have fun putting all those parts i been wanting (enough to build a new pc) on the counter and watching the underpaid counter geeks eyes bulge.as i pay for them in cash

OK im curoius....I do exactly what you do...only I advertise a hell of a lot, and I prefer to function like a business...save for the shop front. I have customers, ofcourse I have customers, but the fastest hting Ive ever done is:

XP2600
512 DDR333
80GB HDD
Geforce FX 5200 128DVDRW and DVDROM (2 drives)400WPSU
19" CRT
4.1 Surround
Logitech keyb mouse and speakers
Midi ATX tower
Computer desk.

That came to a little under £700for they guy, and that was a year ago. I took great care im making sure that system remained stable, throughout setting it up and months after delivery to his house. If it was to go faulty to the point of damaged comonents, you are the purchaser of those items, not him.

The ordinary user never uses anything more than that. If I was to buy a 939 system with a 3500 it would cater my needs for a long while yet. Most of the Pimps in here are tinkering with our long lasting love of the 2500. We aint moving to the 64 platform just yet, even if the new 3200 has "good OC ability".

Quote: but there is nothing else new for those types of boards/ and or processors at a reasonable price...

by this I think you mean "when it comes to upgrading its gonna cost hime a bomb". Good marketing, but you gotta get there 1st, and with a system like that you'll be pacing the floor for a good 4 years.

Quote: 1000W UPS w/ $100,000 warranty

you taking VERY risky steps with that. Why have a UPS when a surge protector will do just fine. UPSs are rather out of the desktop area now. Yes there was a time when having one was ocnsidered a gd investment, but whats the point? If anyhitng Id wud have saved myself some moe $ and got a 600W ups for the system only. And the 100'000 warranty? why? If you give them that they will only use that - wont come back to you.

Quote: Cooling System _________________ DangerDen A64-DDR8X waterblock MAZE4 chipset block M4GPU block 1/2 Tygon Tubing and fittings Black Ice Xtreme II Blue Evercool Chrome Dual 120mm Fans DD12v-D4 Pump DangerDen Resevoir

on top of all of this your adding a water system. Now your asking to go to court of that machine fails. Water systems shud be done by the end user, and the end user alone. Only the companies who have backup like for example, alienware have the recourses to implement a system like that.

All in all your playing with fire, and at a price like that? Arkangyl has a point - I too could build one that owuld see that one into the scrap heap.

When building a PC for personal use, I find it to be an evolutionary process.
Anybody with a few grand can plop it down for what they think, or what they heard is the best of the best components.
Every Pimp here will tell you that they know their PC inside and out. You can bet they are running it at the best possible settings for their ability...
After you have built a few pimprigs, you will find that it's not in the parts you select, but it's in the tunning and tweeking of the entire package.
Not all the expensive parts in your list are going to result in an overall fast package.
You need to crawl then walk then run. nobody starts out sprinting...

For example in your sig you are proposing to replace 2700 with 3200?
If it s HyperX you have ,that is actually a backwards step.
And Phasechange?...better get ready to do some real research, an lots of it.
It is not for the beginner, it is not a bolt-on automatic high O/C part .

Have a look around the forums here there is all the information you could ever need
to build the right PC for your self.

As for dreamming of the most extreme? can't buy it...ya gotta mod it into exisitance...
Good luck and welcome to Pimprig, we ARE the real deal...

Excellent point, Zen. For example; my 1700XP system with a good overclock is still quicker than my 3200 Newcastle rig when running 32 bit applications. Purchase parts wisely and not necessarily going for the biggest and best. There is no need to throw away money on one part when a cheaper substitute properly configured will perform as well or even better.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZENNZZO For example in your sig you are proposing to replace 2700 with 3200? If it s HyperX you have ,that is actually a backwards step.

Hmmm, I did not know this. Why is this the case if you don't mind.
Just curious because I have the HyperX PC2700 and was considering looking for some used 3200
if I can't afford to swing some better PC4000.

No, I wouldn't buy a system like that, because of a handful of reasons:

#1: I wouldn't trust the water system to be tight after shipping.
#2: I'm willing to bet that my rig runs faster, and cost thousands less.
#3: UPS? Why.... surge protector, and save a good chunk of money.
#4: ECC memory? *shudder* There's bad news for performance right there.
#5: If I was going to buy a system from someone else... I'd probably go smash my head into a wall, repeatedly, first. There's a reason we all (for the most part) build our own rigs here.

Thanks BA,
I absolutly grin ear to ear when I think back on what my DUT3C did when it was threatened by all the 2500mobile hoopala. 46bux and decent set of stix and she posted at 2.9ghz like it was printed on the package it came in...Still got that CPU under the s-tdx right now...

Quote: Originally Posted by godfoot Hmmm, I did not know this. Why is this the case if you don't mind. Just curious because I have the HyperX PC2700 and was considering looking for some used 3200 if I can't afford to swing some better PC4000.

godfoot, the notorious pc2700 HyperX from Kingston, more likely than not, is Winbond BH-5 chipped.
Even some of the early PC3200 also had those now discontinued, wonder chips.
There is some Corsair XMS 3500 ver1, level 2 Mushkin, TwinMos, that had those chips as well.

An upgrade, for the a64 754's and 939's seem to be pointing at the OCZ 3200 Platinum ver2 /2-2-5 T1
and the Crucial Balistix 3200 2-2-2-5/T1. Both of those ran stable at ddr 500, ddr533, ddr600, from what I read last night. and about 150.00 a stick of 512

I have a set I paid 106.00 for about 9months ago, that's 53bux per 256mb. of BH-5 goodness.
I am going to use it in the new project as well, using a bios that allows for a 4vt vDimm setting.
It requires that you adjust the 3.5vt Rail, easily done on the PCPand C 510turbo. BH-5 loves voltage
and has been known to clock 270+ fsb. I'd keep anything that can run at 225+ at 2-2-2- T1
Gently peel the heat spreader, and take a peek...

Quote: Originally Posted by ZENNZZO godfoot, the notorious pc2700 HyperX from Kingston, more likely than not, is Winbond BH-5 chipped. Even some of the early PC3200 also had those now discontinued, wonder chips. There is some Corsair XMS 3500 ver1, level 2 Mushkin, TwinMos, that had those chips as well.

I remember getting my PC2700 on the tail-end of the BH-5 phaseout (last November or December) so I am not sure if it is BH-5 or not. I haven't pushed the voltage up extremely high either to test it, I think only to 2.0v. To really push it, if it is BH-5, will require a volt mod on the ole' Shuttle.

Quote: Originally Posted by ZENNZZO Gently peel the heat spreader, and take a peek...

I guess I'm gonna just have to do that....... any recommended method to prevent damage?

Thanks for the input guys, thats all i really needed, i kinda thought attempting to make a water cooled system for a customer would be asking for trouble.

But i still always have people asking me stuff like that.

Fastest computer i built for someone
was just a normal 1800+ Althlon XP system. but they didn't have much money so it was built with an old K7T Turbo 2 m/b MSI. but still kicks butt. heh