Hey all,

I have a comment to make...and no, this has not much to do with my recent "preview pics" of my case. Just a very obvious observation.

What is this site all about, anyway? Modding, or folding? Since September 19, in the Case Modding section, there were 6 different threads with a cumulative 151 posts regarding case mods. The Gaming section had a grand total of 16 posts during the same time period. By way of comparison, a thread on Folding@Home drew 161 replies, and 9 pages of material, in 2 fewer days, I might add!

It seems to me like a lot of people have hopped a bloody F@H bandwagon, and that has suddenly become one of the most important driving forces of this site! I find myself laughing, thinking that people are building bigger and faster computers (or more computers) just so they can do a little bit extra "distributed processing" for some nameless, faceless and arbitrary reason that these people will probably NEVER see any RETURN on. Sometimes I wonder if it's really just a major SCAM, and all of you are hooked in to something to "provide your resources" just to...umm...SUPPOSEDLY solve DNA code. Hehe, I wonder who among you REALLY knows what your CPU activity is doing, "behind-the-scenes"! I'm not saying I doubt the validity of the F@H and G@H projects, but...fukk dude, when you're building better and faster computers, and getting all your friends and neighbors to join up and help, just to help SOMEONE ELSE do some work...that makes my laugh and wonder if someone out there is taking advantage of all of you!

This site is about MODDING, not FOLDING. There are a few long-term and respected (by me) members of this site that I was hoping to get feedback from, re: my preview pics...but on a MODDING site, it would seem that FOLDING is more of a priority!

Yeah it's my pissed-off 2 cents, but by God, you'll hear it. I ain't no shrinking violet and I damn well say what I feel. This, I again must repeat...is not just because of my own recent "preview pics" submission; it's something I've been wondering about ever since this whole "Folding@Home" **** has taken this site by storm.

I don't give a sweet f*** how many WUs or points you have, how many systems you have helping SOMEONE ELSE out...I want to see your MODS and your SKILLS.

Some of you may be offended by this post, and so be it...maybe you OUGHT to be...or maybe I've just had a few too many beers...but I know that when *I* wake up tomorrow, I'll still feel the same way I feel now.

Get your minds back on modding, guys! Please?!

Thank you all for putting up with my rant, I've been known to do it from time-to-time.

Over and out.

Deffinately less and less percentage of the conversation here has been mod related lately, and that might need "improvement", but thats not to say we cant talk abuot other things too.

I'm not saying we shouldn't "talk about other things"; I'm trying to remind people what's IMPORTANT here. Fukk Folding. I don't give a sweet **** about that. I really don't think my .00005% input in the grand F@H scheme of things has SFA to do with modding. I don't give a crap how we rank, because...why? BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MODDING!!!

But sure, I like that we have a folding team, and we're moving up the ranks; but is that our raison d'etre?! I think NOT.

I'd much rather hear people discussing their latest mods, their new case, new ATI 9700 vidcard, new cooling system, and what have you...than hear how many goddam WUs they completed. I can get that F@H **** on [H]ard|OCP if I want; or any other site that's into "Power before anything else".

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying "don't fold anymore"; I'm just saying "stop BLABBING ABOUT IT!" Daily graphs and stats and **** of our progress has what exactly, to do with modding? Nothing. So why does that command far greater interest than what this site is all about?

That should make you sit and think...

To tell you the truth Coel i have not seen i drop in the number of Case modding posts. There has been just as many or probably more this last week as their has been in previous weeks.

Good lord Coel if you want a good example of this look at the past Babe threads, these threads got 10 times as many posts as other forums, are you going to tell us to get our minds of the women?

The Folding@home Project has Enticed a large number of posts, yes. If you look at the posts, a large number of them have been posted by myself or BA, either provide info, how-to's, or help. Or people bragging like Potato Joe or OMFG.

And if the Folding@home helps get more people to the site, what is wrong with that? In the end it will only help. No ones mind here has left the original purpose of the site, which is modding. A project like folding@home only adds another dimension to the site, and actually helps build a team spririt.

Quote: Originally posted by scapegoat Good lord Coel if you want a good example of this look at the past Babe threads...

Yeah, and I think I posted MAYBE twice in that entire thread. IF that. That thread ALSO did not deserve the attention it took away from modding. My 2 cents again.

Quote: And if the Folding@home helps get more people to the site, what is wrong with that?

Is that what you want---to attract folders to this site? The relative importance attributed to the folding project as is blatantly obvious by relative post count and page count would seem to say "yes". I don't give a **** if 2 million people join here and we become number-fkin-one on the F@H list, if all those people want to do is fold. I want people here who want to show off new and unique mods, who want to advance this little art of ours. Not advance science. Go to a bloody scientific research site for that!

Heh, I'm reminded of our "edginess"...well, I won't lose my edge or my opinionated state-of-mind anytime soon. Don't hate me for disagreeing on what some of you must obviously dig, but try to see it from another perspective.

Hey Coel, dont hate ya at all , i enjoy your edgy perspective, And i do belive you are right on the fact that modding should be the number one priority of this Site, it is and it always should be.

I understand where you are coming from. I know their have been a large number of posts comming to the F@H thread, and i see this as akin to taking babys steps. People are getting used to it setting it up asking questions, etc. Eventually I see it settling down, and just become another part of the Best f*cking site on the net as we perfect it and get it its own place on the site, instead of takeing up the forums. It should be just another way you can become part of the Pimprig team

I see this place as a community. Communitys do things to help better their surrounding and there society. Seeing as how we are far seperated, A project such as this is perfect.

I see where you are coming from Coel and i really appreciate your opinion, hope you can see here i am coming from.

EDIT- DAMN TYPOS

I'm trying to see it from your side. I want people to feel at home here. But the reason why ANYONE would feel at "home" here is because...this is a home where people pimp their rigs. We were all attracted to this site by case mods, not folding stats. I most certainly do NOT care to see dozens of people signing up just to give us a higher stats rating in the F@H list...and I DO find it humorous that people would actually upgrade or build better computers, and get people involved unbeknownst to them, just to increase those stats. I use my system primarily for gaming, with work-related and research-related stuff as a secondary concern...and when I'm NOT using my system(s), they're turned OFF to save power!

Let's make sure we attract modders here, not folders. It would be a real joke to see the "Modding" forums get inundated with a ton of BULL**** related to folding, wouldn't it?

Quote: Originally posted by Coelacanth I most certainly do NOT care to see dozens of people signing up just to give us a higher stats rating in the F@H list...

Nor would i coel, nor would I, for what would they have to offer the community? Like i said this site is first and formost a modding site of course If pimps are cool enough to help out and join a folding@home team thats even cooler!.

I kinda agree with Coel... not 'cause I think F@H is a rip, or anythin'... just that this site has been sounding like Amway lately.

"Hi, welcome to PR... ya joined Folding@home yet?!?"

I guess I'm just kinda concerned it might make n00bs a little nervous thinkin' they gotta join in with F@H...

The other concern I have is that mapping the Human Genome has it's ups and downs... I mean... look at "Gattica"... tell me somethin' like that couldn't happen?

According to science, the human race is already becoming obsolete as we make "impovements"... the Japanese have a living human brain outside of a body, rigged in with a computer. The next computers could be based off DNA samples for doing complex computations. You can't tell me this isn't a little unsettling...

Genetic tampering has done some useful things... like at certain times during a baby's development, a Genetic "push" can prevent certain types of retardation, or defects before they form... but also, there are clinics that have been talking about altering babies to "perfection"... which means all of us that weren't born "pre-modded" (so to speak) are pretty well stupid, ugly and worthless in the eyes of a new master race... something that is ALREADY happening within our lifetime.

To quote Jeff Goldblum's character from Jurassic Park, Ian Malcom "Genetic power is the most awesome force that this planet's ever seen, and you wield it like a kid that's found his Dad's gun."

I can also think about 1000 ways to corrupt this information... Maybe it's 'cause I'm not real inclined to trust my fellow man, but I'm still a little leery of the project...

Coel we all know modding is our main objective here. I think your getting way to excited over this. If it wasn't for the forum content as a whole I probably wouldn't hang out here near as much. It cant always be your way, if it were we wouldn't have half the cases in the galleries because they are not up to your standards.
So Sleep it off and come back when your not so cranky

Ok......yes this IS a modding site....it also must be a hardware site, then why the news,...and if you load the PR main page you will not see the word "modding" unless it is in an ad or a recent discussion in the forums. F@H was starting to bring us together as a "team"....makes a great ice breaker for "modding noobs" to get into the community. I never used to be a team player and that is why I stayed out of many PR forum discussions. F@H has changed this for me. Not all of us can "mod" all the time....lack of money and materials and tools, etc, etc, etc. But we are not about to only chat about "mods". If we did that would we all really be friends? Or just dudes saying my mod is cooler than yours....and flame noobs for not knowing how to hook up a CC, etc, etc. We'd just drift away from the forums till we actually needed help.

We have guys buildin faster rigs, pulling junk comps out of closets, all to help the PR "Team". They may pimp those rigs...who knows. Smack ya' rig up! Building comps from spare parts seem like what PR is all about as well. And how can we call our rigs pimp if they are yesterdays hardware. It "is" about building faster rigs...it "is" about computers....cuz without computers there would be no "case modding" let alone PR.

What made me join F@H was that it is doing something for humanity that I probably would never be able to do on my own....When Scapegoat said it is helping find a cure for cancer and other diseases, I was hooked. My wife and I have many family members that have cancer and could possibly benefit from all of this.

How many people here have a softball team for their company? That would basically be like our F@H team. Gives us something else to get in common with each other and have fun aside from the main objective. I am ready to be a team and I felt that I could contribute the best I could.

F@H may be just a cover for something else....but I have given faith into what they say they are trying to acomplish. One day it may be one of us with a serious illness.......and when I ask my self did I do "my" part....I can be at ease.

As for the points and stats......why not put them into a team....cuz otherwise we'd probably be cranking out the WU's and not be able to tell how much we have contributed.

I am proud to be a PR member, and I believe F@H will add a little more content to this site. When we get guests and they find page upon page of case moddings, reviews, jokes, cool gadgets, F@H, etc etc, they may become so overwhelmed at our content it will become thier home also.

GK has put together this great site for all of us and I want to contribute as much as possible. F@H is a way I can help.

A toast to OMFG ! well put my friend.

That is exactly what F&H has done on my end. I am still modding, painting, designing, blowing fuses and while the soldering iron is warming up, I am running F&H. It's also another way to unite. I might have nothing to say about someones motherboard problem and someone could care less about how to paint a case, but i can talk about wu's anytime.

PR is always a modding family to me, but I love playing softball on saturday, for bragging rights on monday.

Well, lets see here. I had never heard of F@H until scapegoat's post. Now when I get into something, I jump in with both feet as anyone walking into my computer room could see. Same with fishing, I have tons of nice gear and do it all the time. Now I really jumped into this F@H thing because number one: It's for the PR team....cool. Number two: My father died about 2 years ago from ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease), one of the things folding@home is trying to find a cure for. In case anyone don't know what ALS is, it's the worst f**kin' disease out there in my book. The is no cure and it invoves alot of suffering. I watched my father go thru it, and if I can do something that will help prevent one person from going thru that ****, then it makes it all worth it regardless of what some people think. True this site is about modding, but there is more important things out there than modding, really! Yes, it spawned alot of action in the forums, but I always figured that it would die down in a while and just be something in a little window on PR home page.

When I first read this thread I was ready to shut F@H down on all my computers and just say f**k it. But, since this is about helping people, has no bad side effects, don't hurt anybody and runs really quietly on a comp, screw it....I'm keeping it running for PR team. Everyone has their own opinion, and mine is that scapegoat had a GREAT idea! And even if PR didn't endorse F@H anymore, I'd just start my own team or just do it without any team number. Bah! And guess what? I'm still gonna mod and build computers and come to PR and hang out in the forums just like I have been. As far as I'm concerned, the F@H thing hasn't changed a thing except kinda unite some PR people into a team that's doing something to help people besides themselves.

scapegoat: dude, I didn't mean to brag, I thought of it as just a little trash talk in a friendly competition bro! To be honest, I felt bad when I passed up bigakita and OMFG. **** most of the computers I have running it are not even mine.....hell, I'd probably get fired if they knew I was running it on their computers at work

I have to add that this thread has sure taken the fun out of running F@H, no more running around checking the comps every hour or so

Coel: You need to lighten up bro. Maybe a trip to Vegas and a night or two at the Crazy Horse or the Palomino Club! I can hook up some comps!

ya know we could put to gether a site softball team all we would really need is for GK to buy one of the Air Force guys a Lear so they could pic us up and bring us to the games then we could drop the folding team how bout it GK

Quote: Originally posted by Potato Joe scapegoat: dude, I didn't mean to brag, I thought of it as just a little trash talk in a friendly competition bro! To be honest, I felt bad when I passed up bigakita and OMFG. **** most of the computers I have running it are not even mine.....hell, I'd probably get fired if they knew I was running it on their computers at work

Hey Joe, I dont care man. You deserve to brag. Youve show a lot of dedication and that is worth alot. And as you said, just its just a little friendly competetion. As for me the first thing i do when i get home is still check my progress on F@H(no running around, only one comp ) But its still important to me. I have an Uncle who has been diagnosed with early onset Alztimers. He is only 45. This is at least one way i can help find a cure.

So keep on folding and Keep on bragging dude.

OMFG and Joe, great replies Coel's rant. Both of you have reason to brag. BTW, what the hell are you running Joe? You really got some processor power going.

Coel, you are a great dude with good skills, but you really missed the mark with your post. I appreciate the fact that you have your opinion, well that's mine. When you re-read what you wrote I hope that you feel slightly embarassed.

Thanks guys!

bigakita: At home I'm running it on these three PC's.
And at work I'm running it on a 1.6Ghz XP and an 800mhz P3 and 4 other ones that I don't know what they are....probably not powerhouses.

scapegoat: I'm sorry about your uncle bro, that sucks. And whats scary is that I'm 42! Sheeiiittt! I pray to god that something breaks lose pretty soon. I was shocked to watch Micheal J. Fox on "The View". It was really sad.

Well, looking back, I WAS a tad harsh...but my opinion now is the same as when I posted. I'd had a few beers, but I wasn't drunk outta my skull either. No, I'm not embarrassed at anything I said; in fact, the people who replied to somewhat agree with me brought up ADDITIONAL points to support me that I hadn't thought of. The ones whose views differed replied with pretty much what I'd expected: "It's curing cancer" and "why should we stop F@H just because Coelacanth is against it"...

To the first response, I wonder aloud, "Oh really! Let's see what result, if any, comes from all the world folding"...to me, it could be just another scam like that aluminum-can pop-tab collection that someone always holds at the office, and supposedly this buys wheelchairs..."Oh really!" Has anyone actually seen proof of this?

To the second response, those people are trying too hard to be self-righteous and missed my point in doing so. I didn't say we should stop folding; I've folded a little here and there when I can, but it's not my life's motivation. It's NOT why I come here. I just think that the folding phenomenon seems to have become more important and popular than modding, at least recently. It's getting a little too much air-time, if you get my drift. Like DS said, it's like seeing the same damn commercial too many times and it starts to annoy you.

Best of luck to the PR folding team, I'll contribute what I can...but let's stop yakking about it as much as we have.

BA, you were one of the people who claimed to be excited to see what I had up my sleeve; and to date, you haven't said a peep about my preview pics! I respect and value your opinion (favorable or not), this is a modding site, and...you didn't have a single comment to make about my case! What's up with that? Maybe you should feel a twinge of embarrassment too.

IS THIS A MODDING SITE OR A NOOBIE INTRODUCTION SITE come on who cares what we each do with our comps i let one run folding while one runs nwn