This thread is started due to the growing controversy in the Pimp Rig Case Gallery. Ive only been here for a little while, compared to some of the locals and know my place on the food chain, but i feel i need to speak my mind on the matter.
My views on this issue have always been the same and will continue to stay the same, but id like to hear from some of the locals, and site admin on what is tolerated and what is ok. The issue in question is posting premods in the Pimpin Case Gallery and the flaming that ive partaken in. I myself dont believe that premods have a spot in the Pimpin Case Gallery. ILL admit that some of these rigs look sweet, and some have some kickin components, yet i still dont believe they belong there unless they are modded to some degree. Im not saying we should delete everything that is not modded or is just plain ugly, but what i believe is that when your posting premods you need to be prepared to be flamed. Weve seen some premods come through that have been flamed for being posted, and a couple days later the owner of the rig is asking questions on how he can mod it and what would it take. Im probably just ignorant and maybe a little defensive when it comes to the forum that i consider my internet home, and i like to motivate probably in all the wrong ways.
Also as of today i was given negative feedback on flaming premods inthe forums by site admin telling me that this wasnt allowed. I guess i wasnt aware of this rule and id like to hear more on this matter from site admin and user opinions. I dont know many on this site that havent been flamed in some way or another for making a stupid comment or posting something they shouldnt have in someone elses mind, i know i have and most of the times it has motivated me to do my research, watch my mouth, do a better job, and in this case mod something.
Im not about to call someone out in this post about the flaming that i gave in the galleries for their case, but as of late i have noticed them posting new threads on how to mod their case and trying to get some ideas on how to get the job done. Is this an effective way to try and motivate others, or for that matter is this a tolerated way to motivate others. In the end i just dont see the point of cluttering Pimprigs galleries with premods, if we wanted to see that we could just go to Newegg.com to see all the latest designs. When i came here i was blown away at the vast majority of original and creative cases that eminated from our gallery, but as of late most the posts have been premods. Thats why i ask you to vote for what you prefer and what you like in the galleries as far as premods are concerned and to let the community know if you think flaming or bashing these cases is to be tolerated or if it needs to come to a stop immediately.

i dont mind if a premod is heavily modded, but after taking a crappy case thats probably over 10 years old, and turning it into a sweet rig(ill post pics today), i really lost a lot of respect for premods. i have a slightly self-modded premod case in the gallery, but i dont use it anymore. i use my custom one. i think its nice if someone wants to get a case thats already modded so their computer looks nice, but learns from it. and if not, dont post it in the gallery unless you yourself have actually done mods to it too. otherwise it just cheapens our image.

Premods...Never owned one and probably never will, but thats just my preference.

Theres quite a few of us members here that have been doing this stuff way before the premod existed, and that probably has alot to do with my personal taste in cases.
I'd lean towards an old ugly@ss beige box myself, just for the blank canvas it has to offer up to be hacked and hammered into something original.

The thing is though, theres a hella alot of sharp premods out there now, and at bargain prices to boot. The main demographic targets for these cases? Young Pc users wanting a cool tricked out case right out of the box.

Pimprig and alot of other sites have members where the majority is made up of that same young Pc user wanting a cool tricked out case. Seeing premods is pretty much unavoidable in that setting if you ask me.

Personally I dont flame premods, I just choose not to comment at all.
I look at a premod the same as I do an owner modded case. I may not like either personally, but if that person is happy with what they have and having fun doing it...so be it.

There's flames & _flames_, sparky ... what sort are you talking about?

If you mean posts like "What did you actually do _yourself_?", "Where are the mods?" or even "ARGGGGHHHHH!!!! PREMOD!!!!", they're not that helpful, but I don't have a problem with them.

If you mean posts like "WTF? Get this f***ing POS outta here loser-boy! & ps, yo momma sucks donkeys!", they're even less helpful ... I find stuff like that entertaining (if well written), but putting my staff hat on, it's not the sort of stuff we want in the gallery.

i have a premodded window and i am ashamed everytime i see it. i have a case door without one thougha nd will soon be cutting my own window and etching it.

If I were to walk into Lokies house and see a premod, I know it wouldn't stay that way.He loves his toys to much. And I know he would never spend money on one so it was a free find or something.

I think that PR has a reputation, and a good one, for telling people straight up what they need to be told.

PR is about modding, and it's a community, so it's also about belonging. What do you have to do to belong ? Not that much really, a little more to be recognized, and you have to work your ass off to become a member of the hallow'ed ranks.

So I think that a guy should post his rig when he is ready, that people should tell him where he sits without abusing him. There are sites that stroke every case posted, but I think PR hase always been a place where you will get an honest evaluation of your work.

And if you want "brutally honest", jesus, just ask for it in your post. I know we have guys who will indulge you

My views on the gallery and specifically the Pimpin' Case Gallery are that anybody can submit anything they want. If it is a funny pic then it get directed to the funny pc pic gallery... if its a 5th shot of a new mod then it goes to the member galleries... and so on... As for the Pimpin' Case Gallery, that is a place for someone to submit a "moneyshot" pic or comprehensive collage of pics showing off what they consider to be a cool PC that they have built. I don't think it is right to draw a line cutting out the premodded cases all together. Not everyone holds the same disdain for premods that you do. Some of these guys do alot of research and planning when putting together these premodded cases. The fact that they are willing to spend that much time and effort on a computer sets them apart, in my opinion, from the rest of the computer using sheep out there. These people are interested in the same hobby that we are interested in... Maybe they are new. Maybe they dont have the time, tools, or skills... yet. That is where the comments and ratings come into play. Leave a comment telling them what you think with some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Note the effort and ecourage them with ideas. When giving out a score I consider more than just the overall looks of the PC. Even if I don't find their look appealing, I can still see where they showed attention to detail and recognize their creativity. If you hate premods and that is what they used then knock off a couple points and tell them why. But giving someone a 1 right off the bat without looking just because they used a premod? That person needs to get off of their self imagined throne and join the rest of the COMMUNITY.

Only person I said "It's a premod" followed by a 1 was 50cent. Every other one I evalute on it's on merits. Incase (see the pun?), anyone missed it recently, it's hard to find a computer case now days that can't be called a "premod". IMHO Premod is just another word for stock.

Personally, I belive that premods are horrible, HOWEVER, it's the premods that draw people outta their beige chells and encourage them to experiment with their rigs...it's a means to an end. Everyone loves the custom built-from-scratch cases (especially when they're done well) but not everyone has the time or means to do them. (myself included - I've been here almost a year, and I'm only starting on my first project)

As long as someone's not pimpin' the premod as something they've done, then I won't flame them, but if they're trying to pass it off as their own, then they're in for a roasting.

All points well taken, and i do see that i am an asshat in alot of ways, but i also believe that this site has the greatest numbers of true modders in it as well as experienced OCers. This is what made me want to become part of this forums community instead of all the others out there. You can go take a look at alot of other sites galleries and see alot of premods that have been posted, this is what i believe is one of the key factors that sets pimprig apart from the rest of the crowd.
As far as giving someone a score of 1 for a premod, that person knows why i did that. Back to the issue at hand though, I myself have been flamed many a time and even though i was pissed as hell when it happened it also motivated me to get the job done and really try to shine among some serious modders (still workin on that). I just dont feel that its that great of an image to be portraying for pimprig. Sure people are gonna hate me and call me a fag and everything else, and hell even threaten to kick my ass, but ill bet that the next couple of guys that come along arent gonna post the same case the last guy posted. So i guess my real question here is will it be tolerated to give some guys sh!t for posting premods, or does the admin need to let it be known that doing this will be a strike against you, negative feedback, and will not be tolerated. Or will this tradition, in my mind, of flaming noobs for posting crap carry on?

Edit: Oops sorry forgot about this and im not trying to disrespect forum admin in anyway whatsoever but i did find this in the forum rules, and maybe it needs to be taken into consideration where the lines are to be drawn.

Quote: Originally Posted by DuckWarrior One potential obstacle for some is the "flame" where you can be given a "hard time". Don't think too much of this, it happens infrequently, it is just a trial by Fire to see how you react and if you can be accepted into the group. There is no need to give in or bow down, just show that you can "take it" and you will be accepted. Adverse reactions don't fly here and will give you a bad reputation.

Maybe we should have a separate gallery for premods.....

But it would be a bitch to move all the current premods to the new gallery.

I've owned a couple of pre-mods and own one now. I have personalized them but that is certainly different from a mod. I think there should be a distiction between personalization and modding.

I would never claim that that the color or windows that are in my case are put there by me but I will tell you about the personal touches I made to my case. If I do that and you flame me, then you are an A$$HAT. But if I claim I did all the mods to a case, then yeah go ahead I deserve it.

I've tried modding and I'm still scarred from the experience. I just don't have the patience of the time to correct it now. So I bought a pre-mod. However, my experience gave me newfound respect for those who do mod their cases.

I've thought about posting my current rig on here, but have since reconsidered in light of all the d1cks in the gallery lately. Ah well....a n00b is a n00b is a n00b.

I tore up a premod recently, but I've gone the wild custom route.

Just bought a PC-60 as a blank slate...

Here's my .02-get what you want, and screw them all. I liked the premod until it died around the PSU (everything's safe) but I also know that PC-60s are not in everyone's budget. Live and let live, but if they ask for honesty, don't lie...

Most of what I would have said has been said already but I see one question or yours that I believe has been overlooked.... different people are motivated in different ways. Some people are motivated by the means you describe and some are not. My thoughts are this: I believe that if you are "content" with what you have, then you (the average person for reference) generally will not be motivated to change anything. If you are unhappy with something, then you generally have a bit more motivation to "fix" it.
Now as to whether it is appropriate to purposely use negative motivational techniques, that IS up to the site admins and owner, GK in particular, and I believe they have made their viewpoint clear on this matter. I think Jonny described it best: "There's flames &_flames_"..... beeing a site that tries to project a positive image of what we do, the general public that happens upon the site may (and usually will) be turned off by some of the language and childish behaviour in the gallery (which is generally the FIRST place new visitors see, btw) and never come back to see what we are REALLY all about.
So while I may agree that some people deserve to be _flamed_, the galleries are not the place for it.

haha i knew someone would click on the sparky your an asshat one. They probably hate premods, well and me too of course.

Personally I just try to stick to the "Coelacanth System" (from what I've pieced together) when judging cases of any kind, although I never do actually post in the gallery.

I think he should post the entirety of his system in the forums if he has a chance as well.

As Jonny said, there is Flaming and there is flaming.
You, like to belittle people.
Coel will tell you brutally what is wrong, If he gave me a 5 on a case. I would consider that case a 5.
Jonny is the same way. They are honest, sparing not your feelings.
Why? cause they really want you to change it for the better

You on the otherhand, hate what you call a pre mod, well... until you show me how you stamped the steel and molded the cd tray. You too have a premod.
You disrespect people and what they take pride in. You think that using the "F" word six times, calling names and making some 11 year old cry is fun.

What you dont realize is some people live in an apartment and cant use air tools and really dont know how to use a dremel.
But THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HERE. To learn how!
Are you making it better? Are you helping?

Did you say... "I really hate premods, so you get a 3 and the wiring that you did was tight 4...UV placement 5...stealthing 6.
Paint makes it a 7
Here is what I would do to improve your case and make it less a pre mod and more something that says you...."

No you did not, you make 11 year old kids cry. Go you!
Why dont you push an old lady down the stairs or kick a puppy to complete your day?

First of all hes not 11, secondly i live in an apartment, and thirdly i flamed him for saying that he built his computer for scratch. I guess this does make me a bad person but eh. Do i knock down old ladies, i guess so if Duck says i do. This thread was dieing and i had left the new guy alone, yet you duck keep postin sh!t in the forums just tryin to stir me up and get me to say something so you can have justification or something. Hell i even wrote you apologizing and saying you guys are right, but now i wake up to go to work and it seems your just needlin me to say something or to blow up and get pissed. You already gave 70 negative feedback points, even though i think one would have been sufficient. So anyways im not gonna get pissed like it seems you want me to, but i will say this, whats the next rating after -65 points. Keep piling them on dog i got all day.

Edit: also nice job on changin the poll and stackin it a little. Your a cool guy

I bought a pre-mod to put my girlfriends old Dell into just cuz I didn't have much time to do it myself since I'm busy on my own nicer mods. But once I get some time, I don't intend to leave it the way it is. But I can't stand guys who think they're "modders" because their premods got cool color fans in them. As long as the person using the premod, knows they suck, its fine with me.