I'm trying to understand the mentality behind the various different faith's and belief's in the world.

Particularly the so called "Radical Islam" I just watched a news special whear kindergarden aged children are taught that dying to kill those that don't follow their belief's is an honor of martyrdom?

My question is is it OUR fault letting the United States Government get out of the citizens control? We sit back day after day enjoying modding computers and going about our lives expecting the senators,generals and the president to express our wishes and views to the world when at this point and time WE have no say in the governments policy. I was in the belief that this government was formed BY the people FOR the people?
If our government is portraying a picture to the world that makes governments and parents teach and train their children to kill us what hope could we ever expect to have for our children in this world?
I'm just trying to understand what went wrong to cause such extreem wrong doings to these people to make them feel like thise towards us? Make no mistake their hatred is directed at US the citizens of this country. 911 is proof of that, I personally am afraid for my children's future especially if this Barack Obama get's elected as president. I'm not prejudice against ANY race color country belief or religion.
I am prejudice against people that say THIER religion or belief is correct and is the only everyone should follow.

All I ask is PLEASE keep your eyes open and voice your opinion in voting and also speaking out against the politician's cause AT THIS POINT AND TIME WE have no control on our countries policy that is supposed to be protecting our needs and belief's but instead is treating us like a source of tax money so they can do what they want.

I love this country, as founded "
We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty, to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Read the Constitution People, Right now we need to get back control of our government.

As an example I forcast that the internet will be taxed ,cencored and or regulated by the government within 10 years providing the terrorists are not sitting in the white house.


I posted this here on PC Apex since this is the most viewed site that I am a member of and wished to simply state aside from the afore mentioned WE as a people, The U.S. citizens don't care what your religion or belief is as long as you can accept and respect the beliefs of others .


Sorry rant over.

I understand where you're coming from for most of it, but I don't really understand what your problem with Obama is. I mean, I'm not really a fan of the guy myself, but I'm not exactly fearing for my future if he gets elected

Yah - he went to a Christian school even from the ages of 10-18 after he left Indonesia and went to Hawaii. He's a fair weather Christian like most politicians. His mother was an atheist/agnostic, father didn't play much of a roll in his growing up. I don't see a strong he's Islamic arguement so I don't see how his name got inserted into it.

ADD: As to the other points - meh. We're not much better, I'll never forget being in Eugene Oregon one of the arguably most liberal locations on the west coast and hearing a 4-5 year old there use a very undesirable description of a woman wearing a hijab to his mother. Children say the darnest things.

Quote: I personally am afraid for my children's future especially if this Barack Obama get's elected as president. I'm not prejudice against ANY race color country belief or religion. I am prejudice against people that say THIER religion or belief is correct and is the only everyone should follow.

What the f*ck?

Seriously...what the f*ck?

What the hell do you think is going on right now with our current President? He wants to outlaw abortion because it conflicts with his religion. He wants to outlaw gay marriages because it conflicts with his religion. He's opened up federal funding to religious charities, namely Christian charities. For f*ck's sake, he's even been quoted as saying that he listens to a voice in his head he thinks is his Christian god!!!

The only reason why you have a problem with it is because it isn't your religion.

Even JFK went through this kind of scare tactic political bullsh*t. Mom used to tell me that one of the rumors going around is that if he was elected President that he was going to invite the Pope to move the Vatican to the United States.

Just even alluding to the possibility that Senator Obama has a connection to "radical Islam" (and terrorist in the White House) by including it within the same post is the same exact kind of bullsh*t that all the far-right radical nutjobs that watch the "700 Club" 24 hours a day love to preach. Those kinds of f*ckers are the kind that would love to see Christianity become the national religion and their motto would be "Praise Jesus or we'll kill your ass". It's the same kind of mentality that forced my great-great grandmother to be ostracized because of her Native American beliefs, for her brothers and sisters to be ripped from their families and put into Christian orphanages, never again being allowed to speak their native tongue (or risk a life-threatening beating), and for all the bullsh*t that some of my friends are going through now because some conservative *sshole doesn't want to take five minutes to explain to their kid about homosexuality.

If you think you've hit a sore point with Rob, you're f*ckin' A right you have.

You want to talk about "radical Islam", why not talk about "radical Christianity"? How about the millions of people killed by the Crusades? The thousands upon thousands of people murdered during the Christian inquisitions? The thousands upon thousands of people murdered during the pagen witch hunts throughout Europe? Hell, we don't have to worry about them because we've got a bunch of home grown terrorist right here in our own country.

David Koresch?

Christian Identity?

Eric Rudolph?

The Freedomites?

The Army of God?

James Kopp?

The Ku Klux Klan?

Hell, how about Pat Robertson praying to his god to ask him to kill a Supreme Court Judge or worse yet, saying that setting off a nuclear bomb in Foggy Bottom (where the US State Department is located) would be the best thing for this country?

I'm not afraid of someone like Senator Obama being elected to the Presidency.








I'm more worried about someone like Pat Robertson being elected to the Presidency.

Rob

P.S.

Sorry for the harsh language...I'm gonna go cool a while.

Quote: The only reason why you have a problem with it is because it isn't your religion.

Barack Obama's religion is Christianity..... well as much as most politicians.

I'll be repeatedly be bringing this one up as it's going to be as rampent as the US being called a Democracy when it's a Republic I think. I don't like Barack Obama, but it's on policy issues. Regretfully his name is going to be a big issue just because of association.

Can't we all just get along?

It's funny how messed up the world can be Just like Rob points out, Bush is an open Christian and is letting it affect how he runs the country dispite the fact that state and religion are supposedly seperate in the US.

But one question, why would having a muslim as the US president make things harder for the US? (Iate, yes I know Obama isn't muslim but it's a theoretical question and I never implied he was ) I'd think that if he was like most muslims it would be a positive thing for the image of the US, showing that most of Florida isn't prejudice against religion.

Quote: Originally Posted by 4x0n But one question, why would having a muslim as the US president make things harder for the US? (Iate, yes I know Obama isn't muslim but it's a theoretical question and I never implied he was ) I'd think that if he was like most muslims it would be a positive thing for the image of the US, showing that most of Florida isn't prejudice against religion.

I really have no problem against a Muslim running for president. Heck a female Jainist missing one arm, and color blind with a speach impediment could run and I'd give them a legitment consideration. First thing I'd have run through my head would honestly be "What type of political stunt is this" first but if all checked out... meh, fine. I'd vote for em if I agreed with them, or more likely didn't disagree with them more than their opponent. But the regretable thing is I know they wouldn't win at this time.

I can envision a female president, I can envision a president of any ethnic background as a possibility. I don't see it in this next presidental election, but it's entirely possible. Religion regretfully is the one I do not see a chance of being over come for the next several elections though.

Well I don't care what his name is, or his faith,color or whatnot.

His campaign that we need to withdraw our troops is fine,but if our troops are just pulled out without a stable government in place, with all the radicals in that country it will definitly turn in to a terrorist haven. At that point we will be in a very bad position to do anything about and the world wide community will solely blame us.
As for infering my dislike of Obama due to his name just cause it sounds islamic, was not my intention. He needs to say more than simply "lets bring our troops home" 3000+ brave soldiers have died because our current president has a hot nut for starting conflicts.
No offense but jumping to conclusions and getting hot under the collar due to another person's percieved views is EXACTLY what I am talking about and don't understand. If someone has a different belief or view, they have a right to express it, if that view is unpopular then intead of condemning them we should simply ask questions to understand that point of view.

The last person worth voting for was Ronald Reagan (R.I.P.) I do like the fact that Obama is relatively new to politic's which can be a good thing with fresh views and the vigor and innocence of youth, however if he could be more easily influenced by his peers. I think we need to wait and see what his stance is on all the other issues that a presidential candidate needs to take a position on.
Bring our troops home? YES but in such a fashion that a stable government is left behind.
We made the mess...well Bush made the mess, and it needs to be cleaned up first.

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner The last person worth voting for was Ronald Reagan (R.I.P.).

I'm only going to say, "Reh heh heh heh EALLLLLLY??"

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner I personally am afraid for my children's future especially if this Barack Obama get's elected as president. I'm not prejudice against ANY race color country belief or religion. I am prejudice against people that say THIER religion or belief is correct and is the only everyone should follow.

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner Well I don't care what his name is, or his faith,color or whatnot. As for infering my dislike of Obama due to his name just cause it sounds islamic, was not my intention.

The reason they're thinking your criticism of Barack Obama is based on his religion and not his plans for troop withdrawl is because:

1) The sentence IMMEDIATELY following your mention of Obama is related to religion.
2) You say NOTHING related to Obama's plans for Iraq, if elected.

Just wanted to point that out.

Quote: Originally Posted by hartigan I'm only going to say, "Reh heh heh heh EALLLLLLY??"

Apparently I repped you too recently to add another one. First laugh of my day.

Edit: getting my 3000th post isn't a bad runner-up, huh?

I got him for you pants


And Last I checked, Obama is a "Christian", he is mainly associated with Muslim because of:

1.) His name - His middle name is also Hussein.
2.) He went to a muslim Elementry school for 2 years.

It sickens me that you NEED to proclaim your religion in order to be assured that you'll even get a vote in today's political system. I don't care who you pray to, or what you believe is your personal path to heaven, just as long as you do what you are SUPPOSED to do in the office and vote the way your CONSTITUANTS WANT you to vote.

Oh, wait, that's right, that's how it was SUPPOSED to work in an ideal world where the Constitution actually means something.

Bitter? Just a little.

But, I vote my voice and do what I can to enact positive change, not that it's doing any good . . .

Oh well.

D

Realy don't think you have to worry too much about Obama. He's a light weight with little political experience. He'll be very lucky to end up in a recycling bin when the Clinton machine is through with him. But hey, the present madman got into the oval room & managed to renew his lease, so who knows!

OK guy,s

Reality check!! The responses I got regarding my first post were exactly what I expected!

I hinted a few times but nobody seemed to get it. (please don't take personal offense) I'm trying to show you the mentality we have as a society and just by reading others responses and opinions how WE as individuals "jump on the bandwagon" to condemn someone who does not follow the popular line of thinking or seems to hint at prejudice against another just because of a name,color,race or bielief.

Honestly I hav'nt a clue what Obama's campaign stance is BUT I will follow him cause we need to get these old school farts out the white house. Now before you bash me saying I'm trying to turn this around cause I made an A** of myself, this was my intention....(yes I'm an a** my wife remind's me every day) My intention was to show you how quick to judge we can be.... Did any one ask me WHY I thought Obama was a bad candidate? no Also you missed the whole idea behind the original post.

I just want to know how we can blindly follow one another's belief's like cattle to slaughter?
the radical Islamic's say they will be gauranteed a place in the after life by killing American's cause we are the great satan. This is the image our government is portraying! WE as citizen's of these United States have a responsibility to make chrystal clear to our government that they are not doing as WE the citizen's wish! The government IS NOT serving our best interest's.

If I'm an a**hole then fine, but just THINK and read this whole thread again. Don't quote me on thing's and try to put the blame on me for being an idiot or an ass.... I am both. But I DO have respect for other's belief's (Read my sig. or ask anyone at Creativemods.com, PC Mods, Case Mods, Pictures, Guides, Reviews and more)


My whole intention was to prove how short tempered and closed minded we can be.

An exercise in food for thought

As of right now I don't intend to stoke this fire any further, some may be pissed and still think I'm trying to save face by reversing this thread in this maner, so instead of wasting time here just Email me Mcbolantmr@comcast.net



We as individual's definitly need to slow down and LISTEN to other's instead of hearing what we want to hear weather it's good or bad.


The Koran and the Bible teach the same thing...I've read both.............ME I'm athiest I'll prolly rot in hell but.....

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner Did any one ask me WHY I thought Obama was a bad candidate? no

I thought that's what I did

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner I hinted a few times but nobody seemed to get it. (please don't take personal offense) I'm trying to show you the mentality we have as a society and just by reading others responses and opinions how WE as individuals "jump on the bandwagon" to condemn someone who does not follow the popular line of thinking or seems to hint at prejudice against another just because of a name,color,race or bielief.

Are you saying I'm not thinking for myself because I'm quick to condemn somebody just because they say something racist (even if they follow it up with 'I'm not a racist!')? Well I'm sorry but thoughts are something you can help, skin color and heritage are not. Being prejudiced against somebody for reasons as simple as that (and you didn't do a good job of stating any others) is disgusting and stupid.

The rest of your statement, about the government not acting from the will of the people and getting us into deep crap, I'm all about, but your little social experiment to get us riled up wasn't funny.

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner My whole intention was to prove how short tempered and closed minded we can be.

So you were being a troll. Gotcha.

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner An exercise in food for thought

Uhm - it appears all of us are staying on point and fact. The rest of what you wrote was to generic with no specifics to discuss. So that proved what?

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner As of right now I don't intend to stoke this fire any further, some may be pissed and still think I'm trying to save face by reversing this thread in this maner, so instead of wasting time here just Email me Mcbolantmr@comcast.net

I don't see what's to gain by that. You said you wanted to understand the world. You didn't ask a clear question. We're waiting right here. If it's about the elected officials not listening, well that's both the boon and the bane of a Republic. It's designed that way on purpose. The intention was for people to elect the most best of our peers, as the best course selected by logical conclusions rarely the most liked. Attempts to please as many people as possible to keep an elected position is counter productive. Political parties definately are - ideas are no longer systematically examined by all, just by the minority party - and they only do it because it's all polarized. Lets face it, people at large are ignorant and prone to emotion - not the based way to set policy. Polarizing issues is even worse yet.

But you never framed that as a question - you wrote your opinion. Hard to answer an opinion, you can only argue it, not answer it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Executioner We as individual's definitly need to slow down and LISTEN to other's instead of hearing what we want to hear weather it's good or bad. The Koran and the Bible teach the same thing...I've read both.............ME I'm athiest I'll prolly rot in hell but.....

The same? No not really. Yes they're both about the God of Abraham, but there are very notable key differences. I've read both too... well that's kind of a fib - translated Koran isn't the "real" because it out right doesn't allow translation unlike the Holy Bible that has a fair number of translations of translations.

Now your getting it. you see with one response I changed your attitude.

No I did not state a clear question.... I made a bunch of opinions, and got alot of different responses assuming my opinions were all negative (again no offense)

Now the question is.... can we as a society acept the opinion's of other's without being judgmental?

Simple? yes. answer no. we can't As far as the government side of this is concerned WE allow the lifelong politician's to represent us, and sit back and let thing's hapen and shrug our sholder's and say.. "What can I do about it?"

Everyone reading this in every county of every state has a political representative, VOICE your opinion and wishes to them! write a letter,send them an email, leave a voice mail, VOTE!

Statisticaly the last presidential election was one of the lowest overall turnout's Just because the popular candidates are not desireable doesn't mean you shouldn't vote! I'm guilty myself!

I've just been reading alot of new's lately and it seem's that the world thinks that the United States is all about picking fights and claiming "Terrorist's" as an excuse, Bush is the one doing this...yes!

Copy this whole thread if you must but my whole intention was to wake you people up and get you to examine the way you just go about your lives and hope for the best, with e government but are quick to condemn someone when they offend you in this small little world or......forum.



Think! Instead of voicing your opinion to me go after your nearest state rep.

Let these Jackasses know we want a voice in our government!

That was my intention all along. I spent 2 weeks writing down my original post to get the most pissed off response without offending any individual, and subsequent responses were leading up to this.


My aplogies but sometimes we need a slap in the face and my friends we NEED to do something,vote, but your Rep. whatever! 3000+ brave soldiers have given their lives in Iraq for WMD's that ain't there! on the basis that 3000+ civilian's died in 911??????????


To that I say WTF?????

This is the punch line. I said what I wanted, and tried to get accross my intention, the rest is up to you well...US.



I just hope when my children are my age their is a U.S. (US)

I think we need a robot to run the country... People are crazy.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dreyco I think we need a robot to run the country... People are crazy.

If robots take over the country - we'll all have to listen to techno.