New KAZAA restrictions?

wolfareno · 13-July-03, 04:13 PM

just wonderin if any of you guys know the details or know where i could find the details of the current KaZaa restrictions....

I know they (is it just in Missouri or nationwide?) recently passed a law that prohibited "sharing music online".

I want to know if you can still LEGALLY download music from someone who is ILLEGALLY sharing, and also if this JUST pertains to music and no other file types.... (for example are documents and MP3s of...say, Roy D. Mercer considered part of the illegal stuff to share?)

just lookin for loopholes and tecnicalities to utilize

THANKS

Wolf

RedHeaven · 13-July-03, 04:25 PM

sorry bro, i wouldn't know man, I havn't been keeping up with the p2p news. oh and your avatar freaks me out, i'm closing the window now

bushh · 13-July-03, 04:33 PM

I just read a CRS (Congressional Research Service) report on this (i work in a congressional office) It is now officially illegal to download music that has been copyrighted and liceneced. It is still ok to download music that is distributed under no licence and with no copyright!

TekXoID · 13-July-03, 04:43 PM

Yep, but those laws wont stop them now, nothing will.

cl0uder · 13-July-03, 05:38 PM

Unless you own the music you can't download the mp3's. That goes with games and movies as well.

Red02 · 13-July-03, 11:53 PM

interesting does that apply just to music or to all software

scapegoat · 13-July-03, 11:59 PM

It has always been illegal to download music and software and movies... unless you own them already or have payed for them..... or unless they are under the General Public use liecence.

Same thing goes with books as welll.. you cant download the text of a book or reporduce it with out permission... an expemtion for this law is anything that has been put under the public domain.....

IE ... many of the older books (circa 1920 or eailer) have been part of the public domain and you can read and download or whatever.. (hence the Gutenberg Project)

Same thing applys with movies and music and software....if it isnt under the public domain you cant have it without paying the owner

jcarkeys · 14-July-03, 12:06 AM

What I'm curious is how copyright laws apply to classical music. I mean, the guy's been dead for 200 years or so, no copyrights back then. Anyone know how that works?

scapegoat · 14-July-03, 12:40 AM

Thats iffy there jclarkys.....

Most of the Actual MUSIC.... meaning the sheet music... the liturature is indeed public domain... but when you get down to the actully PERFORMANCES... well those are owned by the individual performer ... or group... so those are not public domain(unless the artist wants them to be

http://www.classicalarchives.com/main/b.html <--there is good example... (thought there all in MIDI LOL)

wolfareno · 14-July-03, 09:23 AM

hmmmm..interesting....so is it still relatively safe to download music, games, movies, etc. anyway?

i heard that this new enforcement was going to target the biggest offenders first....

jcarkeys · 14-July-03, 01:57 PM

Technically, it was never legal, like Scape said. They could've come after you then. It may be "safe", but still illegal. If you do it, you risk a brush a run in with the long arm of the law

MR.G · 14-July-03, 07:24 PM

You know it will be interesting to see how this affects the music industry. I would like to see if they (the artists mainly) will see any significant increase in sales or will it be the same or maybe lower. If it stays the same or lower then all that time,effort, and money was wasted with no results.

13-July-03, 04:13 PM		#1 (permalink)
wolfareno Apex Advanced Techie	New KAZAA restrictions? just wonderin if any of you guys know the details or know where i could find the details of the current KaZaa restrictions.... I know they (is it just in Missouri or nationwide?) recently passed a law that prohibited "sharing music online". I want to know if you can still LEGALLY download music from someone who is ILLEGALLY sharing, and also if this JUST pertains to music and no other file types.... (for example are documents and MP3s of...say, Roy D. Mercer considered part of the illegal stuff to share?) just lookin for loopholes and tecnicalities to utilize THANKS Wolf

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13-July-03, 04:25 PM		#2 (permalink)
RedHeaven Sig Phot - Hoe Pro	sorry bro, i wouldn't know man, I havn't been keeping up with the p2p news. oh and your avatar freaks me out, i'm closing the window now

13-July-03, 04:33 PM		#3 (permalink)
bushh Apex Tech Fanatic	I just read a CRS (Congressional Research Service) report on this (i work in a congressional office) It is now officially illegal to download music that has been copyrighted and liceneced. It is still ok to download music that is distributed under no licence and with no copyright!

13-July-03, 04:43 PM		#4 (permalink)
TekXoID Banned	Yep, but those laws wont stop them now, nothing will.

13-July-03, 05:38 PM		#5 (permalink)
cl0uder Apex Master Tech	Unless you own the music you can't download the mp3's. That goes with games and movies as well.

13-July-03, 11:53 PM		#6 (permalink)
Red02 Freck-hoe-d	interesting does that apply just to music or to all software

13-July-03, 11:59 PM		#7 (permalink)
scapegoat Apex Tech God	It has always been illegal to download music and software and movies... unless you own them already or have payed for them..... or unless they are under the General Public use liecence. Same thing goes with books as welll.. you cant download the text of a book or reporduce it with out permission... an expemtion for this law is anything that has been put under the public domain..... IE ... many of the older books (circa 1920 or eailer) have been part of the public domain and you can read and download or whatever.. (hence the Gutenberg Project) Same thing applys with movies and music and software....if it isnt under the public domain you cant have it without paying the owner

14-July-03, 12:06 AM		#8 (permalink)
jcarkeys Key Hoe	What I'm curious is how copyright laws apply to classical music. I mean, the guy's been dead for 200 years or so, no copyrights back then. Anyone know how that works?

14-July-03, 12:40 AM		#9 (permalink)
scapegoat Apex Tech God	Thats iffy there jclarkys..... Most of the Actual MUSIC.... meaning the sheet music... the liturature is indeed public domain... but when you get down to the actully PERFORMANCES... well those are owned by the individual performer ... or group... so those are not public domain(unless the artist wants them to be http://www.classicalarchives.com/main/b.html <--there is good example... (thought there all in MIDI LOL)

14-July-03, 09:23 AM		#10 (permalink)
wolfareno Apex Advanced Techie	hmmmm..interesting....so is it still relatively safe to download music, games, movies, etc. anyway? i heard that this new enforcement was going to target the biggest offenders first....

14-July-03, 01:57 PM		#11 (permalink)
jcarkeys Key Hoe	Technically, it was never legal, like Scape said. They could've come after you then. It may be "safe", but still illegal. If you do it, you risk a brush a run in with the long arm of the law

14-July-03, 07:24 PM		#12 (permalink)
MR.G Apex Master Tech Apprentice	You know it will be interesting to see how this affects the music industry. I would like to see if they (the artists mainly) will see any significant increase in sales or will it be the same or maybe lower. If it stays the same or lower then all that time,effort, and money was wasted with no results.