Windows vista... what does everyone think of it? I'm sitting here in my classroom right now checkin it out. We got a beta version and so far its pretty cool. Whats everyone else's opinion? Is it gonne be good? bad? or just another OS?

Quote: Originally Posted by BigMacZach Windows vista... what does everyone think of it? I'm sitting here in my classroom right now checkin it out. We got a beta version and so far its pretty cool. Whats everyone else's opinion? Is it gonne be good? bad? or just another OS?

It'll just be another crappy Microsoft OS. I was talking to one of my professors who went to a Cisco conference a few weeks ago. There was a Microsoft engineer there and he said the betas they have out in the public right now are nothing like Vista will be. Go to the Microsoft website and compare the screenshots and features of Vista w/ the beta you have. My school has some beta versions as well and they are nothing more than Windows XP w/ changes to the GUI and boot screen.

i think its just gunna do what xp did to 98 and 2000, add more services to put more requierments on your hardware but not to do anything too usefull or groundbreaking

i havnt read into too much about vista but this is just my therory.

Given past experience with Windows (home use OS, mind . . . Not including NT or 2000 as those were meant for business and not home usage) releases, I think Vista is going to suck hard, but provide MS with a blue print of what NOT to do, making the next big release after Vista pretty damned good.

Want my reasoning? Here we go.

Windows 95 - HORRIBLE!!! Absolutely horrid first step into the 32 bit OS arena, esp seeing as it wasn't even truely 32 bit . It crashed all the time, horridly buggy. It basically felt rushed. Over the many releases and patches, MS started to get some of the bugs shaken out, but it never felt finished.

Windows 98 - Not too shabby at all. This is what Windows 95 SHOULD have been. Still not perfect, tho, as Windows 98 SE shows. SE, tho, makes major strides and is the best version of the classic windows 9x series.

Windows ME - BROKEN!! They took what was good in windows 98 SE, peed all over it, slapped some proof of concept tech that they were putting into the next gen of windows (that was horribly broken for the most part, too) and told everyone it was the best thing to happen to computing. I managed to make it useable, but only because I'm a glutton for punishment. I hadn't had a computer crash so much since I first installed Win 95 off the 13 floppy disks . . .

Which leads us into the current good stable version, Windows XP - This has had YEARS to mature and become pretty solid. This is what the windows computing experience was meant to be for me. Well, minus the happy bubbly crap . . . I stripped all the happy themes out and went back to my ugly gray . . . The way computing SHOULD be!! *laughs*

Sure, XP is the most attacked OS on the planet, probably a good 95% + of the virii out there are made specifically for it, but you know what? If you know how to play safe, it's getting to the point for stability that LInux users enjoy. Well, that may be a bit strong of an endorsement, but it IS getting up there . . .

So, that makes Vista the next horrible transistion from hell. Needless to say, I'll be using XP for as long as I can get away with it before I move on to the next big MS thing . . .

But that's just my $.02.

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Quote: Originally Posted by drougnor Given past experience with Windows (home use OS, mind . . . Not including NT or 2000 as those were meant for business and not home usage) releases, I think Vista is going to suck hard, but provide MS with a blue print of what NOT to do, making the next big release after Vista pretty damned good. Want my reasoning? Here we go. Windows 95 - HORRIBLE!!! Absolutely horrid first step into the 32 bit OS arena, esp seeing as it wasn't even truely 32 bit . It crashed all the time, horridly buggy. It basically felt rushed. Over the many releases and patches, MS started to get some of the bugs shaken out, but it never felt finished. Windows 98 - Not too shabby at all. This is what Windows 95 SHOULD have been. Still not perfect, tho, as Windows 98 SE shows. SE, tho, makes major strides and is the best version of the classic windows 9x series. Windows ME - BROKEN!! They took what was good in windows 98 SE, peed all over it, slapped some proof of concept tech that they were putting into the next gen of windows (that was horribly broken for the most part, too) and told everyone it was the best thing to happen to computing. I managed to make it useable, but only because I'm a glutton for punishment. I hadn't had a computer crash so much since I first installed Win 95 off the 13 floppy disks . . . Which leads us into the current good stable version, Windows XP - This has had YEARS to mature and become pretty solid. This is what the windows computing experience was meant to be for me. Well, minus the happy bubbly crap . . . I stripped all the happy themes out and went back to my ugly gray . . . The way computing SHOULD be!! *laughs* Sure, XP is the most attacked OS on the planet, probably a good 95% + of the virii out there are made specifically for it, but you know what? If you know how to play safe, it's getting to the point for stability that LInux users enjoy. Well, that may be a bit strong of an endorsement, but it IS getting up there . . . So, that makes Vista the next horrible transistion from hell. Needless to say, I'll be using XP for as long as I can get away with it before I move on to the next big MS thing . . . But that's just my $.02. D

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i didnt mention ME because ide rather not bring up those memories . to this day i run windows 2000 on my emulator rig, i love that OS, i dont think ill ever upgrade the OS on that machine.. its been the same install of windows for over two years and it still runs like the day of the first load (doesnt go online strictly mp3 and emulator for classic games).

I'm having no problems what-so-ever with Windows XP...i'm suprised as to how stable it is, especially while running @ 3Ghz and clicking stuff as fast as humanly possible.

Windows Vista? The ultimate in bloatware. I'll probably get it simply because it's being hyped as an excellent gaming OS (as bloatware, though, that doesn't make too much sense).

What I think M$ should do is allow Windows to run in a stripped-down mode while you are playing games and heck, even benchmarking. That would help performance a TON, not to mention reduce the thrashing of your HD's as GB's worth of OS crap is shifted around to make room for the latest game.

The Windows Presentation Foundation is all I want. Couldn't give two squirts of piss about the rest of the os, but hey, I won't turn down the supposed stability improvements, security features, and especially that new driver model that doesn't require me to reboot every time I install something to play with. WPF is going to bring some much needed improvements to the UI SDKs, which will then be used in future versions of xLabel for the LiteStep altrernate shell. Once I get that, I'll be in paradise, modding my UI to my heart's content into the wee hours of the night.

I was also told the internet explorer is a lot like fire fox which sounds awesome. Should mean less spyware etc. Also networking is a lot easier with the vista OS too some classmates said. Microsoft is starting to get good at what they do i think. Theyre like a freaking dynasty. Hated by many but needed by most. Look at what all the games and software etc are made towards i mean.

i would agree aobut vista being another os but with DirectX 10 and it's non-backwards compatibility, gaming will be improved greatly and it's new shader system sounds interesting and at least it will have DirectX 9 as well for the unfortunates who don't have a DirectX 10 compatible
video card but at least it's gonna look better than the previous installations .

Quote: Originally Posted by Ator I'm having no problems what-so-ever with Windows XP...i'm suprised as to how stable it is, especially while running @ 3Ghz and clicking stuff as fast as humanly possible. Windows Vista? The ultimate in bloatware. I'll probably get it simply because it's being hyped as an excellent gaming OS (as bloatware, though, that doesn't make too much sense). What I think M$ should do is allow Windows to run in a stripped-down mode while you are playing games and heck, even benchmarking. That would help performance a TON, not to mention reduce the thrashing of your HD's as GB's worth of OS crap is shifted around to make room for the latest game.

M$ does have a stripped down version , its " Windows XP embedded" but when you run this you'll need to go and install any options you want to add the the bare OS, and any all drivers you'll need. this is the OS they run on video arcade machines like you see in pizza parlors and such. If I remember right, been a while since I installed or used it , It about half the size of XP Pro.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dreyco I've got a working version of xp thats 112MB...

been playing with nlite?

I think Vista will be good once a SP comes out and fixes all the holes that Microsoft invariably leave in, but is gunna make most computers cry, all the people that by machines with512mb of ram (which is the industry standard) are gunna struggle.

personally I can't wait ! BUT I will wait for the first service pack until upgrading...... also it will be a good excuse to upgrade my hardware..... Dual Core, 2GB Ram, beefy video card........ waiting for the first service pack gives me time enough to start saving money !!

I'm with the waiters... 95 was my intro to Windows, 98 was better, Me was interesting but buggy, and XP (first Home then Pro) with the SPs has been the shiznit. I know Billy wants to line his pockets with more silver and all, but I don't see myself buying Vista based on hype alone...

Thinking back, there were a lot of bugs in the first release of each new OS. I plan to wait on Vista until I hear the consumer side of things, and not the M$ hype, and then make my decision...

totaly have to agree with the rest of the crew ... wait wait wait... then hack hack hack my wait thru the bugs and grime that M$ is so notorious for..... i dont know i am so happy with my system right now... i dont want to think of changing it

from what i have heard, vista is going to take care of the spyware issue... and thats gonna leave alota companys high and dry...


as for windows me... of the 9x systems it was the most stable* of the 9.x os's

*stable after pchealth was uninstalled

DX10 has me pretty excited. I hope the new strategy of reducing DX10 compatibility to a binary answer will spur some innovation in the graphics market. Ati and Nvidia will have to turn to other strategies to differentiate themselves. Maybe the hype over dedicated physics processing will lead to interesting turns.

As for waiting, well, I have to agree. But not for any of the reasons you all cite. I'll wait only because I need a stable windows install for comp sci labs. Or, I'll just dual boot with my own nlited XP, so that I have that for the school work and Vista as my primary (read: toy) OS.