Linux Gurus?

mot19 · 16-October-05, 07:43 AM

I need help bad like RIGHT now, if there are any linux gurus on right now that could hit me up on aim at bearingarmsalone that would be amazing. PLEEEEZZZZ too stupid for linux

post_break · 16-October-05, 07:57 AM

Could you be just a little more specific?

mot19 · 16-October-05, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by post_break


	Could you be just a little more specific?

yeah i need to transfer files from my other hardrive ntfs, to my linux harddrive. Linux dosnt see the drive, but in hardware browser it does see it. Any help?

post_break · 16-October-05, 06:59 PM

Correct me if Im wrong but I think linux only plays with Fat32.

turbopsi · 16-October-05, 07:11 PM

Linux uses it's own file system, it's not FAT32..

Linux can read NTFS, but Windows can't read from the linux file system(trust me, I have linux and windows xp on this machine).

I use a 5gb FAT32 partition to swap files from linux to windows XP, and Linux can just read from the drive. I don't know what your problem is..

Give PengLord a shout or something.. Hawklen even knows a bit about linux I believe..

Peng Lord · 16-October-05, 08:05 PM

IIRC, NTFS support is still experimental. Reads are quite possible, but writes are not so trustworthy. I tried it at one time with great results on the reads, didn't try to write. Good Luck.

From andantech

Quote:

All modern Linux kernels (all 2.4.x and many 2.2.x) DO support NTFS in read-only mode.

Long Answer:
Although you can read NTFS partitions created with any version of Windows NT, you can not WRITE to an NTFS partition created with Windows 2000, XP, or anything yet to come. NTFS partitions created with Windows NT 4.0 and earlier CAN be written to, but this tends to make a mess of the file system, so make sure to do a chkdsk when you boot into NT after writing from Linux.

Below are in-depth instructions on how to gain access to your NTFS partition from Linux.

To access your NTFS partition:

Open a shell if you haven't already.
Become root. Do this by running su and entering your root password when prompted.
Create a mount point for the NTFS partition. mkdir /mnt/ntfs
Mount your NTFS partition. mount -t ntfs -o umask=644 /dev/device /mnt/ntfs

Replace device with the name of your NTFS partition. See below for advice on how to find this if you don't know.
The contents of the NTFS partition is now part of your tree. When you want to access a file on it, just think of /mnt/ntfs as C:\ and you're all set.
When you are done, repeat steps 1 and 2 (if you exited the shell) and run umount /mnt/ntfs

If you want all that to be done automatically when you boot Linux (doesn't take effect until you reboot of course):

Open a shell and become root as described before.
Open your fstab file. kedit /etc/fstab

Note that this assumes you have KEdit (part of the kdeapps package) installed. If you don't, replace kedit with vim, xemacs, gnotepad, or whatever text editor you like.
Add this line somewhere in the file:

/dev/device /mnt/ntfs ntfs umask=000 0 0
Save and exit.

Note that you have to make sure the directory /mnt/ntfs exists before you reboot, or else it just won't work.

To figure out what device your NTFS partition is:

What kind of hard drive is it on?

If it's on an internal IDE drive, it will be HDxy

If it's on a SCSI drive, or a pen drive, or an IDE drive hooked up to USB or FireWire, or any number of bizarre methods, it will be SDxy
Which device letter (x) is it?

IDE drives will be A for primary master, B, for primary slave, C for secondary master, and so on.

SCSI and other drives will be A for the first detected, B for second, and so on.

If that doesn't help, run dmesg | less and look through it for clues.
Which partition number (y) is it?

The first partition on the disk will be 1, and the second will be 2, and so on.

So if it's the second partition on your primary master IDE drive, the device is HDA2

If you get an error about NTFS not being supported by your kernel, the first thing you should try is to install the NTFS kernel module:

Open a shell and become root.
Install the module. modprobe ntfs

If no errors, try mounting again. If you do get an error, you might have to build yourself a new kernel.

Also check here:
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/

P.S. I'm not really a Linux guru, just got a custom tag for some unknown reason, my name has a dramatically different meaning; a high school buddy thought I walked like a penguin and gave me a stuffed penguin as a gag gift, since then I've amassed a rather large collection of penguin related merchandise.

Dex · 16-October-05, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by turbopsi


	Linux uses it's own file system, it's not FAT32.. Linux can read NTFS, but Windows can't read from the linux file system(trust me, I have linux and windows xp on this machine). I use a 5gb FAT32 partition to swap files from linux to windows XP, and Linux can just read from the drive. I don't know what your problem is.. Give PengLord a shout or something.. Hawklen even knows a bit about linux I believe..

I think he was implying that Linux can only play ball with Fat32 Windows partitions, not that Linux uses that file system.

Mot, as has been said before, you won't find much joy trying to get Linux to behave with NTFS.Using a Fat32 partition or separate drive like Turbo mentioned is a good idea.

Ill hit you up on IM again when I get Slackware reinstalled, see if have any joy with those pesky nVidia drivers

mot19 · 16-October-05, 08:36 PM

Yeah ive tried to mount my ntfs drive and all it tells me is that my kenal does not support ntfs...i never had this problem before when i ran redhat. Im starting to hate Linux, well at least fedora, it dosnt even come with mp3 plugin, and to make things more annoying i installed the 64bit version so theres no flash, then, i suck at linux so i cant get crap running....well at least i got my vid drivers and lan drivers installed.....

turbopsi · 16-October-05, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dex


	I think he was implying that Linux can only play ball with Fat32 Windows partitions, not that Linux uses that file system. Mot, as has been said before, you won't find much joy trying to get Linux to behave with NTFS.Using a Fat32 partition or separate drive like Turbo mentioned is a good idea. Ill hit you up on IM again when I get Slackware reinstalled, see if have any joy with those pesky nVidia drivers

Like I said, linux can "play ball" with NTFS as well...

SuSE can anyways...

I can play my MP3's from linux.. .and they are on my Windows drive... I can also browse all my program files etc.. do pretty much anything I want to my primary NTFS drive...

Just can't do jack to my linux partition using XP....

drougnor · 16-October-05, 08:55 PM

Well, you are right on one count . . Fedora BLOWS! Try Ubuntu.

The reason that Fedora doesn't have NTFS support (same goes for MP3) is that the RedHat folks are terrified of being sued over including those parts into the software. You CAN get fedora to work with NTFS but it's a pain in the ass, and can sometimes damage your data if you breath the wrong way.

Ubuntu, so far as I know, can read from NTFS with no issues at all. So, that's my 2 cents on the issue.

Also, you may want to hit up the Linux Kung Fu section of Ars Technica's forums. That's where I learned all about getting the NTFS functionality back up and running in Fedora.

Dex · 16-October-05, 09:05 PM

Screw Ubuntu, Slackware all the way.

mot19 · 17-October-05, 12:46 AM

Well me and Fedora made love and were now happy together. Got MP3 playback, got it talking to my ntfs, last thing i need is for macromedia to stop being gay and release flash for 64bit linux.

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16-October-05, 07:57 AM		#2 (permalink)
post_break I Drive A Mac	Could you be just a little more specific?

16-October-05, 06:59 PM		#4 (permalink)
post_break I Drive A Mac	Correct me if Im wrong but I think linux only plays with Fat32.

16-October-05, 07:11 PM		#5 (permalink)
turbopsi Supe-Hoe-Charged	Linux uses it's own file system, it's not FAT32.. Linux can read NTFS, but Windows can't read from the linux file system(trust me, I have linux and windows xp on this machine). I use a 5gb FAT32 partition to swap files from linux to windows XP, and Linux can just read from the drive. I don't know what your problem is.. Give PengLord a shout or something.. Hawklen even knows a bit about linux I believe..

16-October-05, 08:36 PM		#8 (permalink)
mot19 Apex Tech God	Yeah ive tried to mount my ntfs drive and all it tells me is that my kenal does not support ntfs...i never had this problem before when i ran redhat. Im starting to hate Linux, well at least fedora, it dosnt even come with mp3 plugin, and to make things more annoying i installed the 64bit version so theres no flash, then, i suck at linux so i cant get crap running....well at least i got my vid drivers and lan drivers installed.....

16-October-05, 08:55 PM		#10 (permalink)
drougnor PCApex Review Editor	Well, you are right on one count . . Fedora BLOWS! Try Ubuntu. The reason that Fedora doesn't have NTFS support (same goes for MP3) is that the RedHat folks are terrified of being sued over including those parts into the software. You CAN get fedora to work with NTFS but it's a pain in the ass, and can sometimes damage your data if you breath the wrong way. Ubuntu, so far as I know, can read from NTFS with no issues at all. So, that's my 2 cents on the issue. Also, you may want to hit up the Linux Kung Fu section of Ars Technica's forums. That's where I learned all about getting the NTFS functionality back up and running in Fedora.

16-October-05, 09:05 PM		#11 (permalink)
Dex Retr-hoe Reviewer	Screw Ubuntu, Slackware all the way.

17-October-05, 12:46 AM		#12 (permalink)
mot19 Apex Tech God	Well me and Fedora made love and were now happy together. Got MP3 playback, got it talking to my ntfs, last thing i need is for macromedia to stop being gay and release flash for 64bit linux.