I'm always amused by the narrow vision of the masses that love to hate what they have no idea about. Reminds me terribly of the lowest form of human life: the bigot. Hating just to hate.
So here is a taste of reality for the liberal masses.

Edited for clarity
Liberal Democraps, Let me see if I got this straight, in your view...

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - good...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found in Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Recession under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...

Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam in custody - bad...

Looks like the stupid people just took a fatal hit

LMAO!!! it's so true too.

I was hoping you were referring to a different Bush

Look, I won't pretend to know a lot about the Clinton administration but since when did we hate Bush in comparison to Clinton? Also, this list is very selective and leaves out many things, such as unemployment rate.

When you call Bush haters the lowest form of human life I'm sure you'll convert them. I'd much rather see a list of things he's done right.

Just because someone dislikes bush (and disliking bush isn't neccesarily irational hatred, you just gave 14 very good reasons) doesn't mean we didn't hate clinton any less. Its not always black & white, dems vs reps. I'd blame the lack of media coverage on the whole issue for no one being up in arms about the serbia debacle. No embedded journalists or ultimatum countdown tickers on the news channels, none of the endless talking heads. Also the president had gotten a blowjob, certanly more important news than some war in some country that most people didn't even know where it was. I dont like bush much, and i didn't like clinton either. No one should agree with the president 100% of the time.

Not trying to stir up any arguments, just figured Duck would like this. This is from ABC News Web Site (good old copy and paste job). Just seems to me that Bush has helped fulfill a resolution made by Clinton.

Dec. 15: Chief U.N. weapons inspector Richard Butler reports that Iraq has not met promises made a month ago to fully cooperate with U.N. inspectors and has imposed new restrictions on inspectors' work.
Dec 16: U.N. weapons inspectors withdraw from Baghdad. It is later revealed that U.S. officials told Butler he may want to have the inspectors withdraw.
7 a.m. Eastern Time: President Clinton meets with national security advisers and makes the decision to attack, despite concerns about impeachment hearings and Ramadan, the Muslim holy month that begins this weekend. More than 200 aircraft and 20 warships, including 15 B-52 bombers, are deployed in the Gulf region carrying more than 400 cruise missiles and other bombs.
About 10:30 EST: The U.N. Security Council goes into emergency session. The council meets throughout the day but makes no final pronouncements.
Approx. 3:10 p.m. EST: The U.S. Navy launches the first phase of the attack, firing some of about 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles from aboard ships.
Approx. 4:40 p.m. EST: President Clinton notifies Congress he has decided to strike Iraq.
4:49 p.m. EST (12:49 a.m. Thursday in Baghdad): Anti-aircraft fire is heard over Baghdad.
5:06 p.m. EST: The first missiles, and bombs from warplanes, land in Iraq.
5:10 p.m. EST: White House spokesman Joe Lockhart confirms that a "substantial" attack against Iraq has been launched.
6 p.m. EST: President Clinton addresses the world from the Oval Office, saying that he decided to launch an extended strike against Iraq to send "a powerful message to Saddam: If you act recklessly, you will pay a heavy price."
7:24 p.m. EST: According to witnesses in Iraq, missiles fall near one of Saddam Hussein's palaces.
7:39 p.m. EST: House Republicans agree to delay impeachment hearings.
8 p.m. EST: The United States orders the departure of dependents and certain other personnel from diplomatic posts in Israel and Kuwait as a precautionary measure.
9:30 p.m.: The U.N. Security Council holds a formal emergency meeting at the request of Russia, which has been critical of U.S. and British attacks on Iraqi targets.

Put some stuff in bold just to show how similar some things seem to be. It seems to me that Clinton started this movement and Bush has helped to finish it off. OK, now i am off to the non political world of eating lunch.

Quote: Originally Posted by _Sexy_Pants_ ...When you call Bush haters the lowest form of human life I'm sure you'll convert them. I'd much rather see a list of things he's done right.

I guess I proved my point. At no time did I call Bush haters the lowest form of human life. Your attempt to turn my words to fit your interpretation was exactly what I was talking about.

As to the list of things hes done right, that is a list.

I find it interesting that someone complains about comparisons of Bush to Clinton...Well DUH! What other Democratic President would I compare him to?????

Quote: Originally Posted by DuckWarrior I guess I proved my point. At no time did I call Bush haters the lowest form of human life. Your attempt to turn my words to fit your interpretation was exactly what I was talking about. As to the list of things hes done right, that is a list. I find it interesting that someone complains about comparisons of Bush to Clinton...Well DUH! What other Democratic President would I compare him to?????

Lowest form of human life was suggested, and I'll admit that although I didn't try and twist words, that wasn't what you said, I misread. However, the nature of the post struck me as a name-calling. Maybe it's just because I coupled the "liberal masses" and "Bush H8ers" with that inflammatory statement,

List of things he's done right, yeah that's a list, but that's a list comparing bad things Clinton's done to bad things Bush has done. If that's your list, well, Bush isn't looking so great to me. I don't want a comparison at all because I don't dislike Bush in comparison to anybody. If you gave me a serious list of great things that have happened in office, I'll pay attention to it. I'm not close-mindedly against Bush since I'm sure there are many things that I DON'T know. But giving me reasons to hate somebody else isn't helping Bush at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by DuckWarrior [COLOR=DarkRed]I guess I proved my point. At no time did I call Bush haters the lowest form of human life. Your attempt to turn my words to fit your interpretation was exactly what I was talking about.

Quote: Originally Posted by DuckWarrior Im always amused by the narrow vision of the masses that love to hate what they have no idea about. Reminds me terribly of the lowest form of human life: the bigot. Hating just to hate.

No, you made a loaded statement, which isn't much better. Thats like saying, "This food looks like dog crap." at no time did i directly call the food dog crap, but the implication was there.

There hasn't realy been a president that both sides of the 2 party system liked since.........FDR? Eisenhower? At least that far back. The 2 sides are so similar anymore that their differences are minimal at best. We as Americans get screwed by both sides, but we also see benefits from both sides.
Either live with it or vote for a 3rd party.... your choice.

Quote: Originally Posted by godfoot There hasn't realy been a president that both sides of the 2 party system liked since.........FDR? Eisenhower? At least that far back. The 2 sides are so similar anymore that their differences are minimal at best. We as Americans get screwed by both sides, but we also see benefits from both sides. Either live with it or vote for a 3rd party.... your choice.

W00t! Vote Libertarian!

Does it help to say the last president I liked okay was Reagan?

Yeah, there was a lot of crap 'bout "Reagan's America", and the whole Iran/Contra thing... but all in all, let's review shall we?

Bush Sr: Kicks off Desert Storm. Not only does he NOT capture Saddam, but that whole "Read my lips, no new taxes" speech pisses off EVERYONE when he jacks up the existing taxes... plus the dear boy sent relief funds to foreign countries when several natural disasters at home really should have been priority.

Clinton: He might have actually done somethin' as president if "Little Willy" didn't do all of his thinking... All the man every really did was spout crap like

1. I did not have unnatural relations with Ms. Lewinsky

2. Huh... Whitewater? Whazzat?

3. I did not inhale! I swear!

Bush Jr: I may not be homosexual myself, but I don't think it's the government's place to "go there" as far as banning marriages (I tend to believe that's between the couple in question and the church that's marryin' them). Also, when a president is quoted as saying crap like: "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?", I can't say I'm overly inspired with confidence.

So... do I hate Bush? Nah, not really... Do I like politics in general? No... not really.

You know its not an issue about making us hate clinton or like bush more by putting that list up. The issue is how democrats enjoy to lambast bush and the republican party, while forcing the policies and actions of their own party in the dark.

By saying Bush got this wacky idea that saddam was going to bomb us immediately, and he recklessly went to war is incorrect and unjustified. He gave saddam a chance to turn his weapons over, which at the time EVERYONE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY/UN BELEIVED HE HAD- Even our golden boys clinton and kerry. Not to mention the coalition consisted of over 39 nations, last time I checked Unilateral meant one...

just because france and germany forego supporting us, they had good reason not to and that was due to the fact that saddam was pumping billions of dollars into their pockets every year, does not mean we completely kissed off relations with them.

Even if saddam did have weapons outside his palace televised live, they would not have gone just to save face with the old iraqi. It is just frustrating that the media and democrats like to hide these facts and pretend they never happened, to only further criticize and tear this nation.


PS: DOWN WITH THE ACLU

Go get em DW , I got ya back

I always love how Democrate pause before answering a question, they do this so they can come up with their own interpritation of the truth. Oh and lets not forget all the lies they tell. Bill Clinton was one of the worst Presidents of our time, I am embarrased to say he was once one of them. He imposed more anti-gun laws than any other president to this day. And guess what, he coaches Kerry too. I am proud to be a supporter of the NRA, and the Military, and the many types of real law enforcers cause without these there would be a thrown in the White House. Fear the government that fears your freedoms! And wants to give all your money to the lazy!

Oh and lets not forget that it was the Clinton Administration who sent our troops to Somalia and then denied them the use of heavier artillary and armored vehicles, if Bush was pres at the time, less than 19 soldiers would have died in the Blackhawk Down incident, if not any.

~Bob

Dark summed up my opinion exactly and succinctly.

I have voted Libertarian in the past, will probably do it again.

Aside from that, I think that our Commander in Chief should have some charisma and an aura of leadership. The repeated "Bushisms" tend to make me go "... and this is our leader." Not that mistakes won't be made by anybody with a camera and mike on them 24/7, but the volume of them makes me think about our reputation as a country to others around the world.

Not that Kerry is overflowing with charisma... he tends to remind me of Lurch, but even that is better than Nader.

my take on the list from DW:

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - bad...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - bad...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - also bad...

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - good...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - bad...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - good...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - bad...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...

Clinton commits felonies while in office - bad...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - neither good nor bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - bad...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad...

No mass graves found in Serbia - bad...
No WMD found in Iraq - bad...

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - bad...
Recession under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - bad...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - bad...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - bad...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - good...

Milosevic not yet convicted - bad...
Saddam in custody - good...

Comparing clintons faults to bush's faults doesnt make what bush did right. Over 10,000 civilians and over 800 soldiers were killed in Iraq and so far no WMD's. Listen , just because we oppose bush's foreign policy doesnt mean we must approve of clinton's. I also don't think it's fair to call every liberal or person that disagrees with bush a bigot or hating for the sake of hate. We have many good reasons to dissapprove of Bush and I also acknowledge that there are also good reasons to dissaprove of clinton. The thing is that pollitcal dissention is our right.

hehe, nice one DW. YAYYYY REPUBLICANS WOOHOOO. that should be a comerial i think.

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - bad...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...

Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - null...
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq -null...
War costs money reguardless of who causes it or initiates it!!!

Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - good...

Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - bad...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - good...

Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - bad...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad... <-Dunno how you think this is bad... say it with me TERROR-IST!!!! Notice the word TERROR as in to cause... TERROR!!! Remember 9-11

Clinton commits felonies while in office - bad...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - neither good nor bad...

Clinton says mass graves in Serbia - bad...
Entire world says WMD in Iraq - bad... <- Why is this bad? Its been said for years even when clinton was in office and others.. I for one think he has/had them at one time.. where they are now who knows.... Iraq is a large place....

No mass graves found in Serbia - bad...
No WMD found in Iraq - bad... <- YET!!

Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - bad...
Recession under Bush - bad...

Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - bad... <-He Could have stopped it by taking care of Binny boy
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad... <- Like he could have stopped this?

Clinton says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...

Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - bad...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Sheesh ... how can you say "Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - good..." above and then put this crap!!

Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - bad...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - good...
Atleast you got two of them right..
Milosevic not yet convicted - bad...
Saddam in custody - good...

These are my views on this... I am not one to debate political views amoung my friends and family as it usually just causes hate and discontent amoung those involved but this is something I had to post... This post comes without warranty neither imposed nor implied and is on a as is reading policy so if you dont like it tough, you cant return it and I wont be posting here again so dont bother posting to me... b-bye now..

Quote: Originally Posted by Darksamurai Does it help to say the last president I liked okay was Reagan?

Dont foget he "won" the cold war by outspending the soviets and plunging the country into a debt only surpassed now by bush IIRC (i dont feel like looking up figures so dont quote me on that). Hell, i wasn't even born and i think the last time that the president didn't at least screw up was carter, not that he did a whole lot durring his presidency. At least carter was an engineer, not a lawer/career-politition.

Ok, national debt figures here.