Knowing that it's not tested yet & nobody knows about side the effects, but mostly is that it contain mercury & other toxic chimicals.

How many of you will get or not the H1N1 vaccine?

Here in Québec they said that about 43% of people wont take the vaccine shot or undecided yet ,
apparently in the US it's 60% of people that wont take it or undecided yet.

so far i decide not to take the vaccine , i may change my mind later on but i doubt it , what about you?

I'll take the shot when they pry the tin-foil hat off my head

Lol its just flu, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I think I have it at the moment (bed ridden for the last few days) but its getting better...

The dangers, as with all inoculations lately are grossly exaggerated. Noted immunologist and D-List celebrity Jenny McCarthy, Oprah and conspiracy theorists are probably not who you want to ask about immunizations.

Every time a anti-vaccination movement has started in a country for whatever reason, disease follows. Smallpox in Sweden, whooping cough and measles in the UK, polio, diphtheria and measles in Nigeria. A measles outbreak in Indiana in 2005 was due entirely to overly media hyped paranoid parents without a clue.

Right now, I couldn't get the shot if I wanted, but my age gives me an immunity advantage. It's a question best left to your doctor, not Bill Maher or Louis Farrakhan.

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM The dangers, as with all inoculations lately are grossly exaggerated. Noted immunologist and D-List celebrity Jenny McCarthy, Oprah and conspiracy theorists are probably not who you want to ask about immunizations. Every time a anti-vaccination movement has started in a country for whatever reason, disease follows. Smallpox in Sweden, whooping cough and measles in the UK, polio, diphtheria and measles in Nigeria. A measles outbreak in Indiana in 2005 was due entirely to overly media hyped paranoid parents without a clue. Right now, I couldn't get the shot if I wanted, but my age gives me an immunity advantage. It's a question best left to your doctor, not Bill Maher or Louis Farrakhan.

Well Anti-M let me ask you about your view on something else, antibiotics; our doctors give us antibiotics for anything they can't solve (read: what they don't know how to treat) and our own immune system can't handle the smallest problem by it self...
Is that right?

And also, regular flu, kills approximately somewhere in the neighbor hood of 30000 ppl every year in the US , while the official death toll on swine flu now counts 1010 Americans( which probably includes a few regular flu and some other undiagnosed deaths).
If anything, get a shot for regular flu, though I don't recommend it, unless you got some medical issues which already weaken your immune system.

To me having this craze about the Swine flu ( which I know is an offspring of the 1918 Spanish flu which killed 25-100 million people, many of which where in a war and did not have today's hygiene. The rest of the world ,being the ones outside of WWI still did not have the hygiene of today, which most definitely added to the high death count.) would be to tell a tortoise crossing a high traffic highway such as I95 or similar, to watch out for bicycles.

And to reply to your comment about conspiracy theorists, without those, we would solely listen to the different news channels, believe every word they say.
We would do no research, we would just except their reports of today's "news" as the truth.
And at night we would just join our the herd for a numb 8 hrs of sleep.

To me, since all the news channels get their feed through only one channel, news needs to be researched.

Quote: Originally Posted by BeetleMan Well Anti-M let me ask you about your view on something else, antibiotics; our doctors give us antibiotics for anything they can't solve (read: what they don't know how to treat) and our own immune system can't handle the smallest problem by it self... Is that right? And also, regular flu, kills approximately somewhere in the neighbor hood of 30000 ppl every year in the US , while the official death toll on swine flu now counts 1010 Americans( which probably includes a few regular flu and some other undiagnosed deaths). If anything, get a shot for regular flu, though I don't recommend it, unless you got some medical issues which already weaken your immune system. To me having this craze about the Swine flu ( which I know is an offspring of the 1918 Spanish flu which killed 25-100 million people, many of which where in a war and did not have today's hygiene. The rest of the world ,being the ones outside of WWI still did not have the hygiene of today, which most definitely added to the high death count.) would be to tell a tortoise crossing a high traffic highway such as I95 or similar, to watch out for bicycles. And to reply to your comment about conspiracy theorists, without those, we would solely listen to the different news channels, believe every word they say. We would do no research, we would just except their reports of today's "news" as the truth. And at night we would just join our the herd for a numb 8 hrs of sleep. To me, since all the news channels get their feed through only one channel, news needs to be researched.

And btw, the smallpox outbreak in Sweden that you're talking about, would that be the -63 outbreak in Stockholm?

Every year now they make this big deal about some flu. Last year wasn't it H5N1? I worry we're crying wolf when a real pandemic shows up.

I haven't ever had a flu shot. Can't say I will get one this year either. The worst I have ever had the flu layed me up for maybe 12-14 hours. I get a bad case of the sniffles when everyone around me is deathly ill. If you never get sick you will never build a tolerance. Eventually you will catch it before getting immunized and it will crush you.

The most sickly people I know in life are the ultra sanitary hand washers that are addicted to anti-bacterial wipes and liquid sanitizers. They are the first ones to get knocked down by every little bug that goes around.

We've got to stop using all this antibacterial stuff and throwing antibiotics at everything. We're not making people healthier we're making germs stronger. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Quote: Originally Posted by BeetleMan Well Anti-M let me ask you about your view on something else, antibiotics; our doctors give us antibiotics for anything they can't solve (read: what they don't know how to treat) and our own immune system can't handle the smallest problem by it self... Is that right?

Quote: Originally Posted by HoJo We've got to stop using all this antibacterial stuff and throwing antibiotics at everything. We're not making people healthier we're making germs stronger. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Hojo sums up my thoughts on over medicating, especially with regards to antibiotics. In my experience doctors have stopped prescribing penicillin for everything and anything, unlike when I was young. Building up a resistance to antibiotics could be bad news when you really come to a point where you need one.

Quote: Originally Posted by BeetleMan And to reply to your comment about conspiracy theorists, without those, we would solely listen to the different news channels, believe every word they say. We would do no research, we would just except their reports of today's "news" as the truth. And at night we would just join our the herd for a numb 8 hrs of sleep. To me, since all the news channels get their feed through only one channel, news needs to be researched.

Since the inception of FOX news network, I don't think anyone trusts "news" as truth anymore.

I'm all for consumer and patient advocacy, but I disagree with the conspiracy theorists ever being a good thing. Bimbo's like Jenny McCarthy who spout off with absolutely no evidence whatsoever for their claims aren't helping anyone and quite possibly hurting millions. Sad to say, most people don't thoughtfully research things like this, they see a passionate but deluded celebrity talking out their ass and they believe it and in the process could very well put their children at risk through ignorance.

Louis Farrakhan who claims vaccines are a government plot to kill people is equally dangerous. Neither should have face time in a responsible media. At least Bill Maher had an opposing viewpoint on his show, who frankly blew him away with the facts on the debate, but it was balanced. I generally like Maher, but he sounded like a little kid arguing with his teacher. The fact drug companies make a lot of money on flue vaccines don't make vaccines bad, it makes drug companies greedy bastards.

Despite the claims the N1H1 vaccine was rushed out and untested, just the opposite is true. It was far more researched and tested than any seasonal flu vaccine. Is the outbreak overblown ...absolutely. That doesn't make the vaccine a bad idea. Vaccines are overwhelmingly a good thing. Those who think it's a bad thing because, "They don't trust the government," are just being pig headed and stupid.

It's a very minor flu for most healthy adults, but for some young people and especially pregnant women, it can be deadly. Seasonal flu kills the old and unhealthy, swine flu kills the young and healthy ...that's where much of the concern comes from.

I'll stand by my original assertion. It's a matter best discussed with your doctor who would be more than happy to explain the very minor risks some vaccines may carry. The New England Journal of Medicine recommends it as well at the majority of medical professionals.

Do I trust doctors implicitly? No. I do however hold their opinion far above celebrities and talk show hosts when it comes to medicine.

Quote: Originally Posted by vf1000ride I haven't ever had a flu shot. Can't say I will get one this year either. The worst I have ever had the flu layed me up for maybe 12-14 hours. I get a bad case of the sniffles when everyone around me is deathly ill. If you never get sick you will never build a tolerance. Eventually you will catch it before getting immunized and it will crush you. The most sickly people I know in life are the ultra sanitary hand washers that are addicted to anti-bacterial wipes and liquid sanitizers. They are the first ones to get knocked down by every little bug that goes around.

Not true. You get immunized ...you get a mild case of the desease ...you build an immunity just as if you had caught the full blown version. The immunity is the same regardless of how you develop it. And neither way will build an immunity to a new strain which is why a lot of seasonal flu vaccines don't always work.

And you're lucky, I'm not sick often, but I've had a week long ordeal spewing from every orifice for the first three days. Ew. Not all flu's are created equal.

I'll agree with the second point. Germaphobes weaken the bodies immune system because it is never challenged by the little things, leaving it open to the big ones.