I've said it once, I've said it twice, I've said it 5,000 times...

This is the bullsh*t that's happening in politics that is really pissing me off. We've got people that will put more faith into the crap that's being spewed all over the internet and not taking five seconds of their own time to find the right answer. They see that, "oh, it's a webpage written by someone who says they know secret information...must be true" and treat it like the gospel.

It's absolute horse sh*t and I'm getting sick and tired of it.

Here's the article from FoxNews that set me off this afternoon...

Quote: LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions about Barack Obama's character, he described the Democrat as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them. McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed him to be rougher on Obama. A voter said, "The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another said Obama would lead the U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child raised in a country led by Obama. "If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." When people booed, he cut them off. "I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," he said. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful." Presidential candidates are accustomed to raucous rallies this close to Election Day and welcome the enthusiasm. But they are also traditionally monitors of sorts from the stage. Part of their job is to leaven proceedings if tempers run ragged and to rein in an out-of-bounds comment from the crowd. Not so much this week, at GOP rallies in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and other states. When a visibly angry McCain supporter in Waukesha, Wis., on Thursday told the candidate "I'm really mad" because of "socialists taking over the country," McCain stoked the sentiment. "I think I got the message," he said. "The gentleman is right." He went on to talk about Democrats in control of Congress. On Friday, McCain rejected the bait. "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab." McCain shook his head in disagreement, and said: "No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with (him) on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about." He had drawn boos with his comment: "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States." The anti-Obama taunts and jeers are noticeably louder when McCain appears with Palin, a big draw for GOP social conservatives. She accused Obama this week of "palling around with terrorists" because of his past, loose association with a 1960s radical. If less directly, McCain, too, has sought to exploit Obama's Chicago neighborhood ties to William Ayers, while trying simultaneously to steer voters' attention to his plans for the financial crisis. The Alaska governor did not campaign with McCain on Friday, and his rally in La Crosse, Wis., earlier Friday was much more subdued than those when the two campaigned together. Still, one woman shouted "traitor" when McCain told voters Obama would raise their taxes. Volunteers worked up chants from the crowd of "U.S.A." and "John McCain, John McCain," in an apparent attempt to drown out boos and other displays of negative energy. The Secret Service confirmed Friday that it had investigated an episode reported in The Washington Post in which someone in Palin's crowd in Clearwater, Fla., shouted "kill him," on Monday, meaning Obama. There was "no indication that there was anything directed at Obama," Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told AP. "We looked into it because we always operate in an atmosphere of an abundance of caution." Palin, at a fundraiser in Ohio on Friday, told supporters "it's not negative and it's not mean-spirited" to scrutinize Obama's iffy associations. But Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania an author of 15 books on politics, says the vitriol has been encouraged by inflammatory words from the stage. "Red-meat rhetoric elicits emotional responses in those already disposed by ads using words such as 'dangerous' 'dishonorable' and 'risky' to believe that the country would be endangered by election of the opposing candidate," she said.

Sen. McCain went up a few points in my book, but that audience has to be some of the dumbest Americans we've got. I will call anyone who spouts that kind of crap about either candidate a dumb f*ck to their face. I won't deny that it's happened on the Democratic side but I haven't seen anything on FoxNews about it, so it can't have been that bad.

You want the low-down on Sen. Obama and his connection to Ayers? Read HERE. After reading that, if you still think that there is some "secret connection" between the two men, then I can't help you. Fact is, you can only help yourself by being a little less ignornant and learning more about the real world we live in rather than have someone spoon feed you lies.

THIS IS EXACTLY THE CRAP THAT I'M ALWAYS REFERRING TO!!!

Makes me almost want to disconnect my TV cable and start blocking CNN.com, DrudgeReport.com, FoxNews.com, etc.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rob "I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab."

Thats a bit disturbing really.

According to PEW, 12% of Americans think Obama is Muslim rather than Christian.

The Rensselaer County Board of Elections sent out 300 absentee ballots with Obama spelled Osama.

Palin slyly insinuates Obama is a terrorist by incredibly loose association, yet was just found guilty of abusing her power as governor by a 12-0 bi-partisan vote in the troopergate scandal.

In direct violation of the Hatch Act, Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott referred to Barack HUSSEIN Obama putting empahsis on "Hussein", when he introduced Palin at a rally. It could cost the Sheriff's department $300,000.00 just because the Sheriff is a racist douchebag.


Nothing brings out the stupid like a presidential election.

I don't want this to be a "pro-Obama" thread and it certainly does seem that way, but there is another article from the DrudgeReport that I found. Yes, the New York Times has been classified by the conservatives of this country as a liberal newspaper and yes, on the news it does take a liberal slant. However, the Op-Ed section is notoriously conservative and has been mentioned to be the only friends that a conservative has at that paper.

Anyway, here's the article.....makes you think.

Quote: October 12, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist The Terrorist Barack Hussein Obama By FRANK RICH IF you think way back to the start of this marathon campaign, back when it seemed preposterous that any black man could be a serious presidential contender, then you remember the biggest fear about Barack Obama: a crazy person might take a shot at him. Some voters told reporters that they didn’t want Obama to run, let alone win, should his very presence unleash the demons who have stalked America from Lincoln to King. After consultation with Congress, Michael Chertoff, the homeland security secretary, gave Obama a Secret Service detail earlier than any presidential candidate in our history — in May 2007, some eight months before the first Democratic primaries. “I’ve got the best protection in the world, so stop worrying,” Obama reassured his supporters. Eventually the country got conditioned to his appearing in large arenas without incident (though I confess that the first loud burst of fireworks at the end of his convention stadium speech gave me a start). In America, nothing does succeed like success. The fear receded. Until now. At McCain-Palin rallies, the raucous and insistent cries of “Treason!” and “Terrorist!” and “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” as well as the uninhibited slinging of racial epithets, are actually something new in a campaign that has seen almost every conceivable twist. They are alarms. Doing nothing is not an option. All’s fair in politics. John McCain and Sarah Palin have every right to bring up William Ayers, even if his connection to Obama is minor, even if Ayers’s Weather Underground history dates back to Obama’s childhood, even if establishment Republicans and Democrats alike have collaborated with the present-day Ayers in educational reform. But it’s not just the old Joe McCarthyesque guilt-by-association game, however spurious, that’s going on here. Don’t for an instant believe the many mindlessly “even-handed” journalists who keep saying that the McCain campaign’s use of Ayers is the moral or political equivalent of the Obama campaign’s hammering on Charles Keating. What makes them different, and what has pumped up the Weimar-like rage at McCain-Palin rallies, is the violent escalation in rhetoric, especially (though not exclusively) by Palin. Obama “launched his political career in the living room of a domestic terrorist.” He is “palling around with terrorists” (note the plural noun). Obama is “not a man who sees America the way you and I see America.” Wielding a wildly out-of-context Obama quote, Palin slurs him as an enemy of American troops. By the time McCain asks the crowd “Who is the real Barack Obama?” it’s no surprise that someone cries out “Terrorist!” The rhetorical conflation of Obama with terrorism is complete. It is stoked further by the repeated invocation of Obama’s middle name by surrogates introducing McCain and Palin at these rallies. This sleight of hand at once synchronizes with the poisonous Obama-is-a-Muslim e-mail blasts and shifts the brand of terrorism from Ayers’s Vietnam-era variety to the radical Islamic threats of today. That’s a far cry from simply accusing Obama of being a guilty-by-association radical leftist. Obama is being branded as a potential killer and an accessory to past attempts at murder. “Barack Obama’s friend tried to kill my family” was how a McCain press release last week packaged the remembrance of a Weather Underground incident from 1970 — when Obama was 8. We all know what punishment fits the crime of murder, or even potential murder, if the security of post-9/11 America is at stake. We all know how self-appointed “patriotic” martyrs always justify taking the law into their own hands. Obama can hardly be held accountable for Ayers’s behavior 40 years ago, but at least McCain and Palin can try to take some responsibility for the behavior of their own supporters in 2008. What’s troubling here is not only the candidates’ loose inflammatory talk but also their refusal to step in promptly and strongly when someone responds to it with bloodthirsty threats in a crowded arena. Joe Biden had it exactly right when he expressed concern last week that “a leading American politician who might be vice president of the United States would not just stop midsentence and turn and condemn that.” To stay silent is to pour gas on the fires. It wasn’t always thus with McCain. In February he loudly disassociated himself from a speaker who brayed “Barack Hussein Obama” when introducing him at a rally in Ohio. Now McCain either backpedals with tardy, pro forma expressions of respect for his opponent or lets second-tier campaign underlings release boilerplate disavowals after ugly incidents like the chilling Jim Crow-era flashback last week when a Florida sheriff ranted about “Barack Hussein Obama” at a Palin rally while in full uniform. From the start, there have always been two separate but equal questions about race in this election. Is there still enough racism in America to prevent a black man from being elected president no matter what? And, will Republicans play the race card? The jury is out on the first question until Nov. 4. But we now have the unambiguous answer to the second: Yes. McCain, who is no racist, turned to this desperate strategy only as Obama started to pull ahead. The tone was set at the Republican convention, with Rudy Giuliani’s mocking dismissal of Obama as an “only in America” affirmative-action baby. We also learned then that the McCain campaign had recruited as a Palin handler none other than Tucker Eskew, the South Carolina consultant who had worked for George W. Bush in the notorious 2000 G.O.P. primary battle where the McCains and their adopted Bangladeshi daughter were slimed by vicious racist rumors. No less disconcerting was a still-unexplained passage of Palin’s convention speech: Her use of an unattributed quote praising small-town America (as opposed to, say, Chicago and its community organizers) from Westbrook Pegler, the mid-century Hearst columnist famous for his anti-Semitism, racism and violent rhetorical excess. After an assassin tried to kill F.D.R. at a Florida rally and murdered Chicago’s mayor instead in 1933, Pegler wrote that it was “regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara shot the wrong man.” In the ’60s, Pegler had a wish for Bobby Kennedy: “Some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow falls.” This is the writer who found his way into a speech by a potential vice president at a national political convention. It’s astonishing there’s been no demand for a public accounting from the McCain campaign. Imagine if Obama had quoted a Black Panther or Louis Farrakhan — or William Ayers — in Denver. The operatives who would have Palin quote Pegler have been at it ever since. A key indicator came two weeks after the convention, when the McCain campaign ran its first ad tying Obama to the mortgage giant Fannie Mae. Rather than make its case by using a legitimate link between Fannie and Obama (or other Democratic leaders), the McCain forces chose a former Fannie executive who had no real tie to Obama or his campaign but did have a black face that could dominate the ad’s visuals. There are no black faces high in the McCain hierarchy to object to these tactics. There hasn’t been a single black Republican governor, senator or House member in six years. This is a campaign where Palin can repeatedly declare that Alaska is “a microcosm of America” without anyone even wondering how that might be so for a state whose tiny black and Hispanic populations are each roughly one-third the national average. There are indeed so few people of color at McCain events that a black senior writer from The Tallahassee Democrat was mistakenly ejected by the Secret Service from a campaign rally in Panama City in August, even though he was standing with other reporters and showed his credentials. His only apparent infraction was to look glaringly out of place. Could the old racial politics still be determinative? I’ve long been skeptical of the incessant press prognostications (and liberal panic) that this election will be decided by racist white men in the Rust Belt. Now even the dimmest bloviators have figured out that Americans are riveted by the color green, not black — as in money, not energy. Voters are looking for a leader who might help rescue them, not a reckless gambler whose lurching responses to the economic meltdown (a campaign “suspension,” a mortgage-buyout stunt that changes daily) are as unhinged as his wanderings around the debate stage. To see how fast the tide is moving, just look at North Carolina. On July 4 this year — the day that the godfather of modern G.O.P. racial politics, Jesse Helms, died — The Charlotte Observer reported that strategists of both parties agreed Obama’s chances to win the state fell “between slim and none.” Today, as Charlotte reels from the implosion of Wachovia, the McCain-Obama race is a dead heat in North Carolina and Helms’s Republican successor in the Senate, Elizabeth Dole, is looking like a goner. But we’re not at Election Day yet, and if voters are to have their final say, both America and Obama have to get there safely. The McCain campaign has crossed the line between tough negative campaigning and inciting vigilantism, and each day the mob howls louder. The onus is on the man who says he puts his country first to call off the dogs, pit bulls and otherwise.

EDIT: Never mind...I double-checked some of Frank Rich's articles and he is left leaning. However, I still like the article.

About two years ago, I was watching the news, when they asked six people, " What year did
9/11 happen? " No one got it right. I was so sad. But not surprised.

I won't let myself get upset over the ignorance of the general public anymore. At my age I just let SNL
put it all into perspective once a week for me. It's laugh, cry or suicide. I choose to laugh.

HEY, IT'S SATURDAY NIGHT!!!

mom

True dat mom.

Funny you should say that though, because after years of watching SNL and comics in general, I have developed a theory. The better a politician is for comedy like SNL, the worse they are for a country.

Just once, it would be nice to have someone in the White House that comedians couldn't have a complete field day with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Zaltan Thats a bit disturbing really.

More so if you're actually arab.

I'm watching this on CNN right now. America is on a political bubble. the media has always been really awesome at distracting from really important stories... hmm, what else is going on in america, that the general people would be more manageable if they were destracted from.?!?! Oh thats right. economies are toppling all over the world, and the ice caps are melting and the future is looking pretty grim.

i hate tv for that!

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM According to PEW, 12% of Americans think Obama is Muslim rather than Christian.

That's right, we all just momenteraly forget our faith under pressure: YouTube - Obama: "My Muslim Faith"

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM The Rensselaer County Board of Elections sent out 300 absentee ballots with Obama spelled Osama.

Well maybe if your Lib God Teddy K. got it right, that might not have happened: YouTube - Atlas Shrugs: Ted Kennedy Barack Obama Bin Laden

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM Palin slyly insinuates Obama is a terrorist by incredibly loose association.

Show me where "Palin slyly insinuates Obama is a terrorist by incredibly loose association". But while you're looking, read some of this:

Hot Air ? Blog Archive ? Why the Obama-Ayers connection matters
The Obama-Ayers Top Ten: Highlights of the 20 year Obama-Ayers Connection : NO QUARTER
BarackBook: ACORN

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM ......yet was just found guilty of abusing her power as governor by a 12-0 bi-partisan vote in the troopergate scandal

Check this out: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive ? Palin’s Trooper’Gate: Beating MSM distortions to the truth

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM In direct violation of the Hatch Act, Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott referred to Barack HUSSEIN Obama putting empahsis on "Hussein", when he introduced Palin at a rally. It could cost the Sheriff's department $300,000.00 just because the Sheriff is a racist douchebag.

I don't know about that stupid politicaly correct lib law, but if my name is Steve, you can't fine someone if somebody calls me by my name.

Quote: Originally Posted by AntiM Nothing brings out the stupid like a presidential election.

Wow, AntiM, you are the poster child of your own quote !!

So wait, Estwingman, you're trying to combat well researched facts and sensible debate with a bunch of sound bites from YouTube? And you're calling Mike stupid?! Damn...

Quote: Originally Posted by Dex well researched facts and sensible debate

Im sure it is.

Really, truly, and honestly it does shame me that McCain has supporters that arent very knowledgeable on certain topics. All in all shes just scared in my opinion yet doesnt exactly know why, I could give her plenty of reasons. However, both sides are just as guilty of letting their less informed spew forth garbage. Does anyone else remember the fainting fans?

Still it amazes me that there are Americans that will vote for Nobama without ever questioning his extremist ties. Why the hell he went to Kenya and put that government in shambles. Why he denies any connections with Ayers, and if you say their are none YOU need to do your homework. If these answers can be questioned without skirting or dancing than Nobama gets my full respect just not my vote.

BTW just to remind you all just how really liberal you and the media are, why wasnt it
a big deal when the media was questioning McCains service and if he really was a hero.

I saw some bitch in a Cavalier with "No Obama No Moslim" on the back of her car in shoe polish.

I wanted to rip her eyeballs out and skull**** her.

Shows her intelligence, she can't even spell Muslim.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky why wasnt it a big deal when the media was questioning McCains service and if he really was a hero.

Im not even sure he is a hero, wasn't he shot down five times? Just sounds more like a sh1t pilot.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dex Shows her intelligence, she can't even spell Muslim. Im not even sure he is a hero, wasn't he shot down five times? Just sounds more like a sh1t pilot.

Thanks for proving my point Dex.

Yeah......candidates never mis-speak. (LINK, LINK, LINK, LINK, LINK, and LINK). There were more, but I think these are enough.

Yeah.....let's quote from radical conservative blogs and other reliable sources, such as a website sponsored by the GOP.

Troopergate? Oh, no doubt the brother-in-law was not a nice guy; however, the Alaskan Legislative Council is made up of eight Republicans and four Democrats. They said that although she acted in her capacity and within her authority, she failed in that she allowed her husband to pressure for his firing. The website, "Flopping Aces", is nothing more than crap in my book because it realies too much on "well, Sarah said this" and "Todd said that" type of reporting.

Certainly, Sen. Obama's middle name is Hussein. Seems kinda dirty, though, to repeatedly referring to him as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" at rallies, preying upon the ignorant and misplaced fears of many Americans. If that's how the Republicans want to run a campaign, then that's how they are going to run a campaign. I deeply respect and admire Sen. McCain...hell, I even got one of his books ("Faith of my Fathers"). However, I'm finding it disturbing that he's not slamming these people for making these remarks.

Sen. Obama has been questioned on his connection to Ayers.

Sen. Obama has never denied his connection to Ayers.

Quote: Bill Ayers and Barack Obama at one time lived in the same neighborhood in the city of Chicago, and both had worked on education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform."[41] Obama was named to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Project Board of Directors to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[42] The two served on the board of a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[42] In April 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate.[41] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[42] The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[43] In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[41] CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the non-profit projects in which the two men were involved.[44] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship".[45]

This talk of his close association with "extremist" is getting pretty damned old. You make it sound like Ayers is hiding out in the back woods of Illinois manufacturing package bombs ala' The Unabomber. Ayers turned himself in long ago to the authorities, who unfortunately had to drop the case due to illegal wiretapping. Since then, Ayers has apologized for his actions in a dinner with Richard Elrod, the city lawyer injured by Weather Underground. Ayers is a Distinguished Professor at the College of Education at the University of Illinois. He worked on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, sponsored by Walter Annenberg (a Republican donor with lots of clout). He was awarded Chicago's "Citizen of the Year" award in 1997 for his work on the project (even though it's been claimed by the conservative media to be "radical"...haha!!!).

I've done my homework. I've gone out and sought non-partisan sources of news, such as FactCheck.org (funded by a Republican-based foundation) that backs up the fact that Sen. Obama and Ayers have very little to do with each other.

If we want to talk associations, let's talk about Sen. McCain's association with Sen. Thurmond, who ran on a platform of segragation. Hell, how about this one. Sen. McCain's association with Sen. Jesse Helms. Sen. McCain is serving in the Senate with Sen. Robert Byrd, who was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, which is a HUGE domestic terrorism organization. How about Sen. McCain's association with the Reverand Rod Parsley, who has called for a war on the "false religion" of Islam (direct quote from the Reverand below).

Quote: I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.

LINK

What I want to know is why Sen. McCain has actively courted the Reverand for his endorsement, but hasn't denounced his views? He stated that he denounces anything the Reverand may have said against Catholics, but not Islam? Sounds like Sen. McCain wants to start another religious war or something.

Finally, let's talk about Sen. McCain's role in the "Keating 5" scandal, o.k.? Up until now, it was the largest financial crisis ever in our country's history. Sen. McCain, who was the closet friend of the five to Keating, was criticized for his poor judgement. Sen. McCain had accepted $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his close associates over five years. His wife and her father had invested over $359,000 in a Keating shopping center together. Sen. McCain and family (plus the babysitter) made nine trips on Keating's personal plane. Shoot, Sen. McCain even met with regulators on Keating's behalf!!!

Sounds like Sen. McCain is all nice and cozy with greedy corporate types that have ruined our economy!!!

Now, you're probably sitting there actively defending Sen. McCain in your thoughts. You say that this has already been laid out, that Sen. McCain was not guilty of any wrongdoing. You'll disown the connection between Sen. McCain and Sens. Helms and Thormond. You'll say there's no proof of a connection between Sen. McCain and Sen. Byrd. All of this is nothing more than a smear campaign by the liberal media and the DNC.

Well, all I'm saying is all of the Sen. Obama accusations are nothing more than a smear campaign by the conservative media and the GOP.

Is that really so hard to grasp?

If you want to keep thinking that there is some mysterious and nefarious connection between Sen. Obama and Ayers, then go right ahead. It's a free country and you're more than welcome to remain oblivious to the facts and participate unashamed in the very crap that is dividing our country right down the line into two very distinct halves. I would implore you though to seek out the information for yourself instead of merely taking the word of a partisan source.

The truth...the absolute truth is just as Sen. McCain said at that rally. Both Senators have good records of acting in the best interest of the country and we have nothing to fear from either man being elected to President of the United States.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky BTW just to remind you all just how really liberal you and the media are, why wasnt it a big deal when the media was questioning McCains service and if he really was a hero.

Sparky, this is the first that I've heard of this. Can you provide me some examples, please?

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky Im sure it is. Really, truly, and honestly it does shame me that McCain has supporters that arent very knowledgeable on certain topics. All in all shes just scared in my opinion yet doesnt exactly know why, I could give her plenty of reasons. However, both sides are just as guilty of letting their less informed spew forth garbage. Does anyone else remember the fainting fans? Still it amazes me that there are Americans that will vote for Nobama without ever questioning his extremist ties. Why the hell he went to Kenya and put that government in shambles. Why he denies any connections with Ayers, and if you say their are none YOU need to do your homework. If these answers can be questioned without skirting or dancing than Nobama gets my full respect just not my vote. BTW just to remind you all just how really liberal you and the media are, why wasnt it a big deal when the media was questioning McCains service and if he really was a hero.

Ok so lets assume that Obama's ties to extremists are real. What exactly is he going to do that will be so horrible?

EastwingMan, I'll be honest. That post doesn't really deserve a response, but I'll give you one anyway.

Pulling one small slip of the tongue taken out of context off YouTube doesn't make Obama a Muslim. Are you going to give him crap about his dumb ass Christian Preacher too? Pick one, because you can't have it both ways. Ignorance of the facts is sad, taking advantage of that ignorance and paranoia to sling mud is just low. Even if he was Muslim, you know what? In this country we have freedom of religion, it's not a crime.

Again you call me a liberal like that is some kind of desease and you still don't know my political leanings. If it wasn't for liberals, you wouldn't have a free country with free elections. I could care less that Ted Kennedy made a slip of the tongue, he isn't my lib god. I've never reallly cared for Ted. He is no John or Robert who I actually have a great deal of respect for. And yes, I remember both of them. Neither of them were perfect either. But you know something, "S" is nowhere near "B" on a keyboard, that's not a slip of the tongue. That's an official ballot that is proof read by lots of people whose job it is to run a fair unbiased election. FAIL

Enter "palin paling around with terrorists" in Google and you'll get 23,000 hits. And it's in all news coverage not just far right leaning sites put up by one far right leaning person with no editors or research. At least news agencies make a stab at fair and equal coverage and opinion goes in an opinion section. Why don't you toss up your own site and quote yourself. Pick up a paper once in awhile, it's hardly something that went uncovered. BTW, did you know McCain has four major contributors to his campaign that have tighter associations to Ayers than Obama?

Troopergate report: Palin abused power: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com Actual news coverage rather than more ill informed opinion. It happened, she was found guilty ...the end. It wasn't a statement that leaves any room for debate. You may not agree, but a panel of people both republican and democrat, liberal and conservative in her own state with far more knowledge about the matter than you or any blogger will ever have found her guilty of abuse.

The Hatch Act is not a politically correct lib law. It's a law that's been on the books since 1939 before the term "politically correct" was formed, and was championed mainly by conservative Republicans. Hatch himself was a Democrat who saw the Democratic members of public office using their influence to influence the 1938 congressional elections as corrupt. That aside, my point is using "Hussien" as a dirty word is racist and repugnant.

One thing I respected John McCain for in the 2000 elections was his flat refusal to sling mud, it may have cost him the nomination but it was the right thing to do. I honestly think he is completely embarassed by what going all out to win has done to his campaign.

I would have stated some Obama supporter mud slinging as well, but nothing comes close to what is happening at McCain/Palin rallies currently. Palin was booed off the ice at a hockey game last night which is sad but still kinda funny, after all these are the same fans that booed Santa Clause and threw snowballs at Beyonce. Bringing a monkey dressed as Obama to a Palin rally is funny. Fainting supporters at Obama rallies is just silly, but hardly evil. But that's a far cry from the shouts of, "traitor", "terrorist" and "kill him" heard at McCain rallies. There is nothing funny about that. That's just freaking sad, defending it is even sadder.



But what the hell, I can link to something that has no basis in reality either. Here's my link to a irresponsible look at the current election. At least it's entertaining.

As for the final quote, I'll stand by it. Nothing brings out the stupid like a Presidential election. It is truer now than yesterday.

Great post Rob. We should make a commercial.

AntiM too.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sparky Thanks for proving my point Dex.

Sorry I must have missed aforementioned point. I was in fact simply regurgitating a joke I heard earlier on Mock The Week (good show, you should check it out if you like political satire).