well, heres the pic..
i didnt change the memory timings yet.. as i dont really know much about it

but i dropped the multiplier to 10 and bumped the fsb up to 250 (in bios) and its running fine so far at 36c-38c according to core temp.

thanks for input!

Well first off you can change the command rate on your RAM from 2T to 1T.

Give the CPU more volts, take the FSB higher and see if you can get closer to running your RAM at its rated speed.

whats the safest way to go about bumpin the memory?

maybe use some software.. or try to do it in bios..?

i dont know if all those settings are in my bios

ill take a look when i get home today

Well your memory is linked to the FSB, or HTT as it should properly be called... at the moment this is at 250Mhz, and you have your RAM running at 1/15th of your CPU speed, 2500Mhz... giving you 166Mhz on your 200Mhz capable RAM.

With a slight voltage bump to the CPU from your BIOS, raise your FSB speed gradually, and your RAM speed to raise, in line with your divider.

So, at 2.8Ghz, your RAM would still only be running at 186Mhz, again below spec. You might wanna try increasing your FSB and setting a different divider for your RAM to get it running as close to spec (200Mhz) as possible.

heres where it is now..
i set a few things in memory and a few things it wouldnt let me set..
like i couldnt set the ddr speed.. to ddr400. it just wouldnt post after that.. i had to leave it on auto..

the cup is running at 40-43c idle. .so it seems good. i havent ran superpi in it yet.. but it was 10 seconds faster at 2600mz.. so id imagine its a little quicker now..

anyways..
where to go from here.. i guess just memory tewaking some more.. tho i dont exatly know what im doing in there lol..

**damnit, photobucket is having problems..
ill have some pics up quick hold up..

If its BH-5 it should run 2-2-2-5 1T at like 3volts and at DDR500 speeds. I think thers more in the momory. Your underclocking it with really losoe timeings right now.

the previous pic was with all the memory settings on auto
i still have to leave the ram speed on auto because if i set it to anything ddr 400 or ddr 500 it wont post..

anyways..
so this is where i am now..
resting idle at 44c on a dirty saleman led flower

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i wish i could take a screen of my bios.. i only changed the
cas latency - 2.0
ras to cas - 2
something else to 2
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o ya, one more thing. i set the volts to 2.6??


so i guess ill probably go and set the voltage up to 3.0 and see what that does..
should i be able to tell the bios that my memory speed should be ddr500 instead of having it set on auto..

i guess ill try and see if it works
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edit yet again..

my memory settings..

Memory hole for pci mmio - disabled

max memclock - auto

1t/2t -1t

cas latency - 2.0

cas to cas delay - 2

min ras number - auto

row percentage time - 2

row cycle time - auto

row refresh recycle time - auto

write recovery time - auto

read to write delay - auto

When you say you set the volts to 2.6v, are you talking about RAM voltage?

Get a camera, and take a pic of your BIOS... easy.

yes i was.
just to see if it would do anything.. it didnt..
after that post i changed the ram voltage all over the board and it wouldnt make it past post.. same for the max memclock.. seems it likes to be on auto as well.. but then again i have alot of things on auto right now..

here are bios pics..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...xx/biosmem.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...xx/bioscpu.jpg

these pics are crappy, taken with only camera in house..
im pretty shure its a 1 megapixel lol..

Finally got my BIOS updated where it needed to be..

and then i had some better memory settings..

so my memory seems to be where it should be

but now my processor is stuck at 2200 MHZ.

if i try bumping it any it fails..

meh, heres the pic.

OK..I am not 100% sure if your ram is Winbond BH-5 or UTT based, if it is, then it should do 2-2-2-7 at 240-250FSB with 3-3.2v

IF it's Samsung TCCD based, then that is waaay to much voltage and you can damage them, 2.7-2.8v max, try running timings of 2.5-3-3-8 at 230-250FSB

We need to have the exact model number from the package to determine what type of chip is hidden under the heatspreader, they don't typically make that information easy to find...should look something like this:

List of RAM with Winbond UTT chips - XtremeSystems Forums

18. Corsair CMX512 v 6.1 ( TwinX1024-3200 )
Product link : Corsair
Readings and user's results : Xtremesystems, Xtremesystems

I would try these settings:

CPU voltage- Up to 1.5 or 1.55v (100% load temps should not exceed 50c, try using Folding@Home to load it up, we are team 596 if you want to help out and join our team)

NB (North Bridge) voltage-1.7-1.8v

LDT voltage (Not sure if available on ASUS, 1 or 2 steps above stock if it is)

Ram voltage- 2.7-2.8v for most typical ram like Samsung TCCD, up to 3.6v for BH-5, BH-6 or UTT (Windbond) though your board probably only goes to 3-3.2v

Aslo..try setting the LDT ratio to 4x for up to 250FSB, and 3x for up to 333FSB (5x is stock) the baord you have should adjust it for you if left in auto, but this will make sure!

This is one of the more common issues when you hit a OC wall, the LDT is the ratio of your HTT speed and FSB, and should not go above 1000HTT for stabilty reasons, less than 1000 won't hurt performance typically.

FSB 200x5LDT=1000 HTT (Stock)
FSB 220x5 LDT=1100 HTT (BAD!!!)

FSB 220x4 LDT= 880 HTT (Good)
FSB 250x4 LDT= 1000 HTT (Good)
FSB 260x4 LDT= 1040 HTT (BAD!!!)
FSB 260x3 LDT= 780 HTT (Good)

You can see your HTT speed in CPUZ, one of the screenies you had above showed it at 750MHZ at one point (For reference)

I tried alot of those different settings.. and nothing would boot.
even if i ran 220x10x4 (FSB x CPU Multiplier x LDT or hyperthreading multiplier) which put me at stock cpu speed it still wouldnt boot.
i could make it boot on those settings if i cut my memclock index down to 333 from the 400 where it was set. but then im only running 180 mhz on the memory.

so should i cut the memclock index down to 333 and press for more fsb?? (i dont know what the index really does.. )

o and i set my volts to
cpu 1.5125
dram 2.75
i didnt see a NB voltage setting anywhere...
so if you know LMK where it is..

heres a link to the type of ram i have.
http://www.corsairmemory.com/corsair...512-3200xl.pdf
its a .pdf from the corsair website, as far as if it is BH-5 or UTT... i dont know
but it can do 2,2,2,5 settings.. so that should be a good thing.

FSB 250x4 LDT= 1000 HTT (Good)
^that is my desired setting..

how important is HTT anyways?

right now at stock FSB 200, ldt 5, CPU mult. 11 im sitting at 40C and when i run superpi up to 1M i hit 48C

also, since getting my bios updated and having my ram run at the right speed windows boots slow as hell..

and about folding@home
is that Folding@Home Distributed Computing ? im weird and like to double check everything..
if so, tell me where to sign up and id be glad to help out your team

anyways
thanks for the information,
let me know what you think..

otherwise im stuck here.. with no overclock at all.. lol..

Well..I could not find in your thread what motherboard you are using, other than it looked like ASUS in the bios.

Here is one of the best AMD 64 board from ASUS, your bios may or may not have some of the options.

AnandTech: Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe: NVIDIA Dual x16 for the Athlon 64

Often you can highlight a setting, and set it to manual, and other options will apear (Instead of leaving them in auto, often you have to do this at the top of a group, not the individual setting though.

I don't have a PDF reader, so I cannot check it out, however, if you are sure it's BH-5 or UTT, then it will take as much voltage as you can throw at it, and is starving at 2.75v...my DFI LP had up to 4v, but it did not respond well over 3.6-3.7v. I used a fan over it when above 3v.

What I typically do is start at stock settings, other than higher than stock voltages and either 4x or 3x LDT, and 1 notch lower than stock multiplier... and using a BIG memory divider (1/2) then just raise FSB in 5MHZ increments until it won't boot any more...then back it down to what is stable.


This will tell you the max FSB for your board.

Then, I will put the multiplier back to stock, and rasie FSB again...this will give you the max CPU speed.

Back to a low multiplier again, I will set the memory ratio to 1to1, and raise FSB until it's not stable..this is your max memory speed.

Then it's just a matter of combining all 3 to get the best performance! I then use 2MHZ increments to "Fine tune" things if need be.

So..if you motherboard maxes out at 300FSB, and your CPU at 2750MHZ, but the ram s done at 250 MHZ, I would go with something like 11x250=2750MHZ with a 1 to 1 memory divider.

If your CPU was limited to a 10x multiplier, then it would be 10x275=2750MHZ, but with a 9/10 ram divider! (That would put the ram at 250MHZ)

Also, for your ram, on NF-4, the last setting should be set to 7, this is what testing has shown to be optimal for that chipset, 5 will be to tight, and not gain any performance advantage.

So..for ram timings 2-2-2-7, with 3+ volts.

There are often other settings that can effect stability too, such as "DRAM idle timer" wich appears to be 16 for you (Bottom of CPUZ timings) I suggest setting it "Looser" to something like 128 or 256 initially, once you have serod in on a stable OC, then you can try and tighten it up a bit.

And as always, with voltages, you want to use the least amount possible, but enough to make things stable.

Isolating just one particular setting and making changes to that is the best way to fine tune things, if you try and make multiple changes all that the same time, then you are never sure what makes it unstable.

For instance, when testing ram, using 2-2-2-7, starting with 200FSB and a 1 to 1 ratio with the voltage stock, raising it in 5mhz increments until it crashes or wont boot is best...then go to 2.7v, and retest at your last stable FSB, and try increasing again, then 2.8v, 2.9v...etc. at some point adding voltage will no longer help..then back it down to the last known stable setting.

Don't wory much about HTT...as long as the ratio ends up at 1000 or less, it does not effect performance much at all, running it at 750MHZ won't even show up in a bench test in most cases.


You want to keep your load temps at 50c or less, I tune that by CPU voltage..and that typically controls your max CPU speed thats stable...

If you are using 1.55v, with your current cooling, that may be too much, try 1.5v or less...the cooler your load temp, the more CPU sped you can run, that is why people use high end air cooling, water cooling...and of course extreme cooling like phase change, dry ice, or LN-2.

A 2.2GHZ CPU like yours may reach only 2.4GHZ on stock cooling, 2.5-2.6GHZ with mid to high end air, 2.7-2.8GHZ with water cooling, 2.9-3GHZ with phase change, 3.1-3.2 with dry ice, and 3.3-3.4GHZ with LN-2.

Here is more info on Team Apex Folding (It's still called Team PimpRig though...lol)

PCApex.com - Folding Team

i have a8n-sli deluxe

ill work a lil and get back to ya.

thanks a whole lot!!!

-J

I think you need to look at the Motherboard tab on CPUZ, that model number is wrong (Reads like an ASUS!)

I got 0 hits on google, however, I did get links for AN-8 SLI..do you have the Fatality version?

AnandTech: Abit NI8 SLI: nVidia SLI for the Intel Gamer

its an asus a8n-sli deluxe




and while im at it..
heres a cap of that memory pdf

so heres how its been going..

i cut the HTT multiplier down to 3 and the dram speed down to 266 and played with the fsb using clockgen
made it to 290 with a cpu mult of 9
when i went up to 295, it crashed.


then i set the cpu mult to 10 and the dram to 333 and went with 250fsb to get this
both the cpu volts and the ram volts were on auto


that, crashed as i tried to make this post.

after whcih i swithed the ram to 2.9v and the cpu to 1.5v

im going to try a setting the cpu mult. to 9 again and setting the dram to 333 and seeing what i can get.
i know id like to set the ram to 400 and run the pc at 2500MHz but that seems to make my ram automaticly run at 250mhz

i cant find a place in bios to set my ram divider, it seems randomly linked with the dram speed tho

and i dont have a setting anywhere in bios for Dram Idle either
i keep having to set it up with 64 Tweaker everytime i boot.

anyways.. im gonna play a little more and take screens,

lmk what you think, do i seem to be accomplishing anything..
what could i change to do a better job?
and if you know where settings are, please tell me. ive been all through this bios cant find the divider or the idle timer.

anyways,
thanks for all the help so far!! b(^_^)

this is stable!!!

but it wont be if i restart the freakin compuer....

it seems that my dram idle timer makes all the difference..

i cut it up from 16 - 128 and bam.. no errors or crashes.. problem is its in A64 tweaker
i cant set it in bios.. at least not that i can find.

so if i log into linux.. itll get really hott and crash..

this is idling at 38-40

anyways.. here it is
i was aiming for 2500 mhz, but i was using clockgen to tweak it up, and thats where it put me...
when i set it in bios, itll be at 250FSB x10