http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/55...d=1#post592923

Please someone back me up here.

What a bunch of fecking useless morons

Someone go e-slap the sh*t out of them I'm too lazy to register over there and 4am comes real soon in the morning.

Quote: Originally Posted by j-dogg What a bunch of fecking useless morons Someone go e-slap the sh*t out of them I'm too lazy to register over there and 4am comes real soon in the morning.

Yes, a good e-slapping is in need for these noobs.


EDIT:
They closed the thread because they couldn't handle the truth of the matter.

wow i own a s754 machine..and i can attest to the fact that s939 machines romp mine....these guys are idiots...and i wisht hey didn't close the thread iw ould have backed you up

754's are good budget systems and all, and they would romp on my AXP, but damn, there's no way it's better than a 939..

Lack of upgradability, dual channel ram, etc.

yeah check teh s939 v s754 poll..i'm backing you up in my own lil way lol these guys are about as bright as a **** colored crayon.

I must agree with everyone here. The only reason I'm running an A64 3000+ s754 system is because 939 wasn't out when I built my machine... at least as far as I was concerned.

Those are the guys who sit at home and fondle their atari 2600s and still claim that they are the best console ever. Some people just refuse to admit that all technology becomes outdated at some point.

Quote: Originally Posted by jori Originally Posted by Jori Where do you get your info? The good stepping CABNE does like 1.45 3 ghz+, another does 3 ghz at pretty high vcore, and the worst cant touch 3 ghz with air. So, not all of them even 3 ghz. I admit that I havent found a 2.8 ghz newcastle on air yet (stable), but theres bound to be one out there somewhere. And also, Newarks dont get very hot compared to other processors, I cant wait until that 4000+ comes out.. Definatly 3 ghz on air.

Quote: Originally Posted by Raven.exe Where do YOU get YOUR info? CAB2E steppings hit 3Ghz w/ 1.45-1.6vcore seen a couple at 3.17Ghz @ 1.6vcore CABYE hit 3Ghz w/ 1.408-1.55vcore HELL i've even seen a crappy CABGE @ 3Ghz w/ 1.56vcore (but that was only one and i think he was lucky). So far those are the only steppings for the opty's not including dual core. BTW most of those Opterons are on AIR....you might want to goto another forum and read before talking about things you know nothing about. on another note I don't dis Newark's because they ARE SanDiego cores built for s754 and t hey do run damn good..

ROFL....these guys are idiots

btw i am Raven.exe diff thread same forum.

Quote: Originally Posted by turbopsi 754's are good budget systems and all, and they would romp on my AXP, but damn, there's no way it's better than a 939.. Lack of upgradability, dual channel ram, etc.

While I would agree with you that a Socket939 is the MINIMUM recommendation, I wouldn't go as far to say that Socket754 is dead yet. (maybe for the gamer market - quite possibly), but I would deploy them on the server front actually.

I also wouldn't agree with you that Socket A is dead either because have two dual Socket A systems, 2 single Socket A (with Duron 1.8 GHz in them) as servers (one more deployed remotely), and a pair of Opterons - they are certainly not dead.

Ever seen the movie "Finding Forrester"? Know the part where he says "...when people used to read your book?" and then Sean Connery goes "...USED to read..." and then it changes scene to where he's trying to find the book in the library and all 24 copies are checked out? This is the same thing.

If you look at the prices of Socket A motherboards, in particular dual Socket A, they still command a pretty hefty premium. Why? Because people are realizing that they can be deployed in a financially constrained server environment.

Course, I wouldn't know much in the way of how that would affect the system performance in games (especially with the lack of a low latency interface such as PCIe), but I mean - if someone could and would - compare the fastest Socket A processor available with the fastest AGP8X video card and then compare that with some (I don't care how many or how diverse) of the newer processors (64, X2, Opteron), using the same video card, and same memory. I would THINK that there isn't that much of a difference, but I guess that I could be wrong. *shrug* (i.e. my recommended platforms would be DDR333, Athlon XP 3200+, and your favorite AGP8X gaming video card).

I know that I've built servers using a $50 Socket A (MSI) motherboard and the Duron ($50) for a total of less than $500 (with 500 GB storage), on GbE (assuming GbE infrastructure is already in place). Not too shabby I'd say! AND you still get 2.5 GFLOPS!

I don't know of any other platform that can do that, with maybe the exception of the VIA C3 (although you won't be able to get the 2.5 GFLOPS on one chip).

Additionally, if you have the first gen/rev Tyan Tiger K7 (S2460) motherboards, I've read about how you can use Duron processors on those (forget if it needs to be tweaked to enable it), but 5 GFLOPs with ~<$125 in processors. *sic*

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P.S. Opterons ARE an excellent platform. Although I must admit though that if I had to do it all over again, I probably would have gone with dual core instead of the dual Opterons. It ends up being a more cost-effective platform to work on, but oh well. Not that I'm complaining. (cuz it IS very fast, and if it ISN'T, then chances are that means that I can run two instances of the same program).

i'm not saying their dead...it's the opposite they're used for budget systems..hence the reason they keep making s754 chips and such...just the fact that those guys say that it's BETTER and FASTER they're implying that a s754 machine is faster than the newest s939 platforms...they have no idea what they're talking about..they're just s754 fanboys. Then they claim to see 2.8Ghz 2800+ Newcastles...riiiiiiiiight...thing is they don't know what they're talking about.

Well, I'm saying they ARE dead. Do you see anything new being made for socket A? No? It's dead.

Quote: Originally Posted by turbopsi Well, I'm saying they ARE dead. Do you see anything new being made for socket A? No? It's dead.

last I heard, that it is officially EOL'd from AMD, but still supported by many many many other companies, especially those that make motherboards.

And contrary to popular belief, I believe that there are mini-ITX boards that are popping up now for high-density compute/render farms (i.e. we're talking anywhere between 8-16 in a 1U enclosure) being deployed because of their power/performance.

(Yes, apparently the latest "fad" in measuring performance is density - i.e. computational power per footprint/physical real estate, and also in additional to price/performance, there's also power/performance - which makes Pentium M, new Pentium3 based processor, and the SocketA stuff that much more attractive. Efficiency: what you put in / what you get out.) The cost of power historically isn't factored in, but nowadays, deployment contracts WANTS that to be considered, with an estimated annual operating cost.

Realize it or not, that's PART of the reason why there are HE and EE versions of the Opteron chip.

In some cases, SocketA systems are also starting to take over 386, 486, et. al. systems as industrial controllers, and the lower the power consumption and thermal dissipation - the better it is.

I am sure that most of you have seen the PC-on-a-card from Sun. Well, it probably wouldn't surprise you if I told you that there are smaller versions of that, much smaller, available. From what I also know, there are a few that are about that size that uses the Opteron system, that are used as embedded processors for automotive systems coming out of one of the schools in the UC system (I forget which one). It's basically an auto-pilot for a car, and in addition to the actual driving, it also does the optical recognition off of the two onboard cameras, along with the information coming off the 30-or-so sensors. So far so good. (From what I've heard, it's some dude's Ph.D. dissertation.)

I've said before and I'll say it again - there's a LOT than meets the eye.

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Case in point: http://www.liantec.com/Product/SBC/ITX-6700.htm

Quote: Originally Posted by memory remains i'm not saying their dead...it's the opposite they're used for budget systems..hence the reason they keep making s754 chips and such...just the fact that those guys say that it's BETTER and FASTER they're implying that a s754 machine is faster than the newest s939 platforms...they have no idea what they're talking about..they're just s754 fanboys. Then they claim to see 2.8Ghz 2800+ Newcastles...riiiiiiiiight...thing is they don't know what they're talking about.

Well..it CAN be...if you put about 8 of them in various orientations in a 1U chassis. "Beowolf-cluster-in-a-box" anyone?

lol that would be funny.

Quote: Originally Posted by Canus Those are the guys who sit at home and fondle their atari 2600s and still claim that they are the best console ever. Some people just refuse to admit that all technology becomes outdated at some point.

They were the best Console Ever!!!

Quote: Originally Posted by Nerdz They were the best Console Ever!!!

they sold some atari "flashback" here at zellers canada

http://www.atari.com/us/games/atari_flashback2/7800

Quote: Originally Posted by Nerdz They were the best Console Ever!!!

No way! The Commodore VIC-20 was a console and a computer.