Sup guys, let me introduce you guys to my computer specs:
AMD 2800+ (2.08 Ghz)
Motherboard: http://www.levi.cz/image/M848A.jpg http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Pro...nuID=0&LanID=0
512 RAM
Radeon x800 pro


I'm a real gamer and I want to make sure I run the games that I like properly...

I only play Half Life 2 and CounterStrike Source
I get around an average of 66.54 Frames Per Second
I overclocked my x800 pro to [core: 537:memory 555]
Run everything @ high settings...4x AA, no AF
Now there are a lot of people telling my that the reason that I am not averaging around 90s-110s is because of my processor + motherboard....as you can see the max that my motherboard can take is 3.0 Ghz... Now lets get to the point

I WANT TO OVERCLOCK MY AMD 2800+ CPU =0
i have no idea how to do this...no idea on how to even start...i want something safe...and how much can i overclock it to? 3.0 Ghz? someone help me and give me recomendations ... thx a lot guys

i doubt with that motherboard you have a chance of getting it to 3 ghz.

what kind of cooling do you have?

lol pchips... thats worst then ecs.. anywho not to be rude or anytihng your proc is good, your mobo is beyond horrible come back when u get sometihng better sniff caugh nf7-s would be good, at this point u cant do much till u get a better motherboard.

im not sure about the cooling (no nothing about computers...just basic) and what motherboard should i get...

and also your proc mite be locked.., k anywho for your mobo u should get an "abit nf7-s" , whats kind of ram do u have in detail ?

pc3200 <--- ram

what brand ?

Just checking, but do you know how OCing works? In any case that board is no good. I have NF7-S ultra and itÂ’s a dream for this. My 2600 Mobile has hit speed of around 2.3 to 2.4Ghz and IÂ’m a beginner to this and my cooling isn't the best. Just as a reference 2600 has a stock clock of 2Ghz a 3400 has one of 2.2Ghz. So if I were you I'd get a new board. Another thing having 3200 ram is good, but what brand is it? Corsair XMS has gotten me a long way in over clocking and being stable. Hitting 3Gigs is one thing hitting it and being stable is another. There are a lot of write up on Pimprig about OCing so if I were you IÂ’d look for some of those. Necro has helped me a lot. IÂ’m sure heÂ’d be happy for you to hit him up for some info.

EDIT: Sorry my mistake 2.2 is the speed of 3200 and its the AN35N-Ultra. Damn how many mistakes can i make in one post. I should of thought about this before i posted it.

2.2ghz is 3200 speed not 3400, and theres no such thing as a nf7-s ultra , and ether way you aint hitting 3ghz with a 2800+ thats for sure, but running it at 400fsb will eliminate alot of the bottleneck for hat x800pro., id start by getting an nf7-s revision 2 board, and try to run your 2800 at 200fsb instead of the stock 166. mhz arent everytihng.

Quote: Originally Posted by hondatuner Just checking, but do you know how OCing works? In any case that board is no good. I have NF7-S ultra and itÂ’s a dream for this. My 2600 Mobile has hit speed of around 2.3 to 2.4Ghz and IÂ’m a beginner to this and my cooling isn't the best. Just as a reference 2600 has a stock clock of 2Ghz a 3400 has one of 2.2Ghz. So if I were you I'd get a new board. Another thing having 3200 ram is good, but what brand is it? Corsair XMS has gotten me a long way in over clocking and being stable. Hitting 3Gigs is one thing hitting it and being stable is another. There are a lot of write up on Pimprig about OCing so if I were you IÂ’d look for some of those. Necro has helped me a lot. IÂ’m sure heÂ’d be happy for you to hit him up for some info.

OK not to step on anyones feet or anything but if you wanna help out atleast know your stuff! The stock clock on a 3200+ Xp cpu is 11x200 witch would give you 2.2Ghz and a 400Mhz FSB! And they dont make such a motherboard you are meaning the NF7-S V2 ! And a 2600M has the stock clock of 15x133 Witch would give you 2.0Ghz with only a 266Mhz FSB stock for stock the 3200+ would crush a mobile!
now the benffit of having a mobile chip is that the Multi is unlocked so that means you can turn the multi down to move your fsb up higher! Higher FSB will cut your bottleneck down for the rest of the stuff in your pc to run faster! "BANDWIDTH IS KEY"


Now for you that needs the help! I would go with the Nf7-s or the AN7 i have had both with Mobiles on them and have hit around the same clock speed and FSB on both! They both top at 227Mhz Ext clock with a high multi without volt mods! But you will be able to take that 2800+ from the 166Mhz Exrt Clock to 200Mhz With no problems and you will see a great gain in your games and your FPS
But you will prolly need to upgrade the cooling on the chip to do this.. I have done it with stock but i do not suggest it. You can pick up a cooler from www.newegg.com for really cheap alot of us order from there they have very fast shipping and low prices



Abit Nf7-S ver 2 : http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...127-166&depa=1

Thermaltake EXTREME VOLCANO 12 : http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-035&depa=1

That should do you good i hope that helps you man! Good luck with overclocks


Matt

I say you read just about everything about OCing you can find. Im with Matt If your gonna oc for a Socket A go with the NF7 S ver. 2 I have one and got my 2700 to 2.5ghz. Also the mobile are great overclockers. You would also need some really good memory. Something with Samsung TCCD chips. I recommend before buying anythign and overclocking read just about every article you can about overclocking. I nor Pimprig.com are in no way responsible for any harm done to your computer while overclocking.

http://forums.pcapex.com/showthread....440#post340440


VERY GOOD RAM AND REALLLY CHEAP! Check it out!



Matt

Unless you can raise the voltage to the CPU (V-Core) and memory, you won't get very far with that board you have now.

Just about any top rated N-Force 2 Motherboard with OC options will work, the NF-7S, Epox RDA 3+ are realy good choices, if you are on a budget, the Shuttle AN-35N Ultra worked realy well for me, I had it running over 470FSB fro like 65$ new

I wouldn't put a ton of money into that sytem though, an AMD 64 system can be built on a reasonable budget and will smoke that old XP.

In fact, I would look at a good used NF-7 or similar, they have refurbished boards at NEW EGG for as little as 40-50$ that can pull of a decent OC if you look carefully.

You can probably get 60-85$ or more out of your old combo on EBAY or in the trading section here.

My personal choice for a budget OC would be AMD 64 2800+ (little over 100$) and a Chantech NFORCE 3-250 Motherboard for 75$

Combine that with a single 512MB stick of some decent PC3200-4000 (Around 75-125$ for something good)

I Like the Zalman series of air cooling, the 7000CPNS or 7700CPNS rock!
Oh, and don't froget to budget for a good 400 watt or more power supply, generic ones are the major reason people complain about unstable OCing.

Fortran has a few nice ones around 75$ and are top rated for a budget without being cheap, Antec is my personal favorite though.

With a mild OC to around 2.4-2.6GHZ, it will make all but a Phase Change cooled Athlon XP look slow

EDIT: don't get that Thermright Volcano, they are noisy and don't cool as well as the Zally!

well if i do get the NF7 S which is around 100 dollars...and an extra 512 pc3200 ram...can i overclock my amd 2800+ to around 2.8? will it really be a difference from 2.08 to 2.8-2.6-3.0!?

No way bro! Maybe 2.4 2.5 if your lucky! And thats with good air cooling


matt

I want to point out something.

What is your monitor's refresh rate set at ?

See, let's say it's set at 85Hz, that's the same as saying that the monitor is able to show up to, but not more then, 85 FPS. With the monitor set to 85Hz, the video card will try and post a fresh frame from the buffer to the monitor at 85 FPS.

There is more too it then this, but let me make it short, you don't need to get caught up in that whole FPS race thing. That race never ends, and it gets you nowhere.

Just choose a decent resolution for your monitor, a proper refresh rate so it doesn't give you headaches. Set the Video card to V-Sync enabled. And tune your system, overclock the CPU first, then the video card, and see how it goes.

As long as your getting perfectly rendered images in sync with your monitor and never any "chugging", what more could you want ?

I have question for u a bit offtopic then, since I never ealy investigeted this much, and you seem to realy have expertise on this.

I have read for benchmarking in 3DMARK it's best to leave the monitor at 60MHZ and turn VSYNC off
(I know u are cringing, since it's so way off real game settings we use lol)

I may do some testing later on this, but I was wondering what your take is on this?

I see frame rates above 60FPS, so why would they say the best score comes at default?

Is there something more to this than meets the "Eye" so to speak?

*Runs off to try 85MHZ*

my monitor only suports 60.......i guess i will never know (way off topic)

It would be hard to OC a 2800+ to 2.5ghz, due to the low multiplier. I think the best bang for your buck 64bit cpu is the 3200+ winchester.

BTW, you aren't gonna hit nowhere near 2.8ghz. 2.8ghz on an Athlon XP would be a feat to accomplish only with very high-end cooling, and luck.

the 64bit cpu 3200+ can be clocked to ?.?? GHz?