Any Intel to FX people?

Beast_USA · 10-February-05, 02:51 PM

I'm using a 3.4EE it's fast ...very happy with it. (max OC 4403)
But I want SLI

I have been looking at the FX55 with the MSI or Asus. (suggestions needed)
I see they still use DDR not DDR2 (save some money

)

I'm looking for someone that has/had top end intel and changed?
Is the FX55 faster? can it do everything the EE can do?

Right now with my EE @4gigs 24/7 I can recode a dvd on one monitor and play HL2 or Doom3 on the other NP.

I tried that on a A64 3000+ with koolance and the DVD's kept being messed up and the game was choppy.

No bashing please

Just looking to up-grade in the next couple weeks and leaning towards take 55.

Thanks

SpikeShot · 10-February-05, 04:19 PM

The FX-55 is plain amazing and if you wait a little bit the newer 90 nm cores with the "E" stepping are due out, which means less power, heat, and hopefully better overclocks.

I have an FX-55 in the family of "play with" PC's from friends and I can say that nothing surprised me more with its performance. It truly is worth the 800 dollar price tag.

I figured that it would be a little better than my almost 4 gig Intel, but it was in another league. The P.4 EE is lacking in my opinon, and when you compare overclocks and benchmarks the regular Intel "E" holds its own.

Now with the AMD its a little different. I have an AMD 3000+ 90 nm in house, and when fully overclocked with air cooling is scored 12,805 in Sandra Dhry. 2005 CPU test.

Now...the FX-55 at only 2.845 scored over 13,000 in the same test, and although the AMD chip I had was geting close to its max this 55 CPU had another 300 or 400 MHz in her easy. (If you got the cooling)

Want another...31, 000 in 3DMark2001 SE, compared to 27, 980 for the AMD 3000+, and Only 26,503 with my Intel at 3.9 (give or take here, all test had the same GPU though, X/800 XT, and X/800 XT PE)

So if I were you and I had the money and "need" the FX-55 is the king. But if you like muiltitasking and video editing then the Intel is still amazing. I am always doing at least 3 things at one time unless playing one game (things still in the background though) and with AMD crashed more often than with Intel.

So if you got the money go with it man. I know I would. But, considering what you have I think unless you really got alot of extra money noticing a huge improvement is not going to be really possible., but you will notice an improvement if you get your FX-55 over 3.0

Check out the PR Ultimate Benchmark Challenge thread as it may give you some ideas and help you out in chosing.

$SOLID$ Necro · 10-February-05, 04:22 PM

The reason Intel feels so strong is because it has "Hyperthreading" wich acts similar to having 2 CPU's handling the load, or "Multithreads" in programming terms.

AMD FX-55 does not have this, but it will drop a Pentium 4EE on it's ass when it comes to gaming, you just have to decide wich is most important.
The FX-55 is certainly more capable than the 3000+ at doing this thanks to more (1MB) Cache, Dual Channel memory, and faster clock speeds.

The best option would be to wait a bit longer for the FX-57(2nd Quarter this year) it will be dual core on a single chip. This will solve the multitasking issue for AMD and will be worth the wait.

The DFI Lan Party SLI is the best socket 939 for overclocking BTW, and the FX-57 will work in that board.

SpikeShot · 10-February-05, 04:28 PM

The 512 extra cache helped alot in Sandra I think, but in the 3DMark/Real World gaming tests it was the sheer higher clock speed thanks to the strained silicon that both AMD and Intel uses.

I am sure that if I could of goten the AMD 3000+ up and over 3.0 gigs then they would be close in alot of applications. And they would of course be better for gaming and faster when only using one program.

Beast_USA · 11-February-05, 05:41 PM

Thank you both

For the good solid answers.I was wonderingÃ‚â€¦.they look real good.
Just wasnÃ‚â€™t sure it they could do everything at once.

My EE gets 13K sis at only 3865 900fsb at 4 gigs (where I keep It most of the time)
It gets just over 14500 in sis cpu. And I already break 30K in 3D 2001

I think I will get that FX-55 and go to FX-57 when it comes out.
Maybe I will keep both for awhile just incaseÃ‚â€¦..game on the FX and work on the intel?

But I will put the FX on vapo cooling

Thanks again!

$SOLID$ Necro · 11-February-05, 05:57 PM

Have you taken a shot at my Ultimate Benchmark Challenge then?

30K on a 01 is pretty damn good, I was getting 26K from my little Sempron 3100+(2.4+GHZ and X-800 Pro at 600x600.

My next rig is underway, a Cryo cooled FX-55/ SLI 6800 Ultras..so bring it on!

http://forums.pcapex.com/showthread.php?t=15065

Beast_USA · 12-February-05, 01:50 AM

I don't have enough posts to enter

30310
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8150118

That was with my old pny 68U and PC4200...the bfg and PC3200 ultraX is faster.
The bfg geil ultraX got my aqua over 100K

I might build that FX in the next couple of weeks. They are looking real good.
either bfg dual 68U's or leadteks.

Takes me awhile..LOL I look for as much good input I can get first.

$SOLID$ Necro · 12-February-05, 02:28 AM

I dumped the 50 post rule for all but the top "Uber Pimp" spot, Because there are some pretty fast machines (Macci or Oppainter for instance) out there that could walk in and take that spot real easy.

This challenge is supposed to be for members that are involved in our community here, and that is the only reason, I just want to make sure people arent "Pop tarts" and then disapear after 2 posts back to there reguar forums.

Very nice score BTW!

SpikeShot · 12-February-05, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by $SOLID$ Necro


	I dumped the 50 post rule for all but the top "Uber Pimp" spot, Because there are some pretty fast machines (Macci or Oppainter for instance) out there that could walk in and take that spot real easy. This challenge is supposed to be for members that are involved in our community here, and that is the only reason, I just want to make sure people arent "Pop tarts" and then disapear after 2 posts back to there reguar forums. Very nice score BTW!

My thoughts exactly. If you show an active or so life in the forums here and seem to be a nice guy the top spot is all yours from my point of view. But, a guy with 20 posts who shows up every month or so with a post don't cutt it for me. Now SOLID is the leader of the show here, but I am the uberpimp right now and I would not be happy given it up to newbie member with more money than brains that got a better score!

Ya sure I could sell my car and buy all the cool stuff SOLID is geting, but I enjoy overclocking the low end stuff to tie and beat the high end parts. To me, that is ever more rewarding.

And this is not referring a particular member at all, including beast.

$SOLID$ Necro · 12-February-05, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpikeShot


	Ya sure I could sell my car and buy all the cool stuff SOLID* is geting, but I enjoy overclocking the low end stuff to tie and beat the high end parts. To me, that is ever more rewarding.*

I am taking the loan money I was gonna use to buy a new car, I just kinda went off the deep end

The original plan was to take back the top spot with a SLI DFI 3200+ and a pair of cheap 6800's all on air.

Then Redigreen jumped in with a FX-55 ASUS and SLI 6800gt's that is cleanin up in the 3DMARK 05 thread on water..

Zenn went Pro, building Cryo Cooling sytems...next thing I know, all 3 of us end up jumpin on his crazy Phase Train too!

Redigieren · 12-February-05, 03:31 AM

Because of my liberal spending so many of us have gone..... PHASE CRAZY. Yes we now should concider call our selves "orb whores".

ZENNZZO · 12-February-05, 08:52 AM

Frosty is as frosty does...

ORBUS-WHOREUS-MAXIMUS...Ww WILL represent fellas!

Beast_USA · 13-February-05, 01:48 PM

I'm 46 dam old I know......but it used to be cars....dump 20K in a motor...miss 2nd gear (you know shifting no clutch) and BOOOM cracked, blown or maybe complete junk

So I waste a little money on my systems but it is still less then 1/4 of the cost of one bad shift

And the police are never chasing you LOL

And I haven't posted in any of the 4 forums I go to.
I have been out of the loop for about two and half months because my dad had a heart attack.
He's getting better and all is good so back to having some fun.

My kids tell me that Fry's & that internet store (newegg & jab-tech) are to me what a
drug store is to a drug addict...LOL.....OK but mines cheaper! I won't kill me or get me fired

$SOLID$ Necro · 13-February-05, 01:53 PM

Seems us "Old" hot rodders just can't leave anything alone once we find out we can "Tweek" things huh?

http://www.geocities.com/patdelaney36/HRC.html

Beast_USA · 13-February-05, 02:11 PM

Solid you know what I'm saying......just always need to go faster.LOL

My two favorite project cars 69 vette rollered, dual tunnel, shifting modifed hurst (I made) 4 speed.
91 ZR1 same dumped millions just so I could go 200+ and at about 165 lost front spoiler, 175-178 cracked front fender wall (never broke

) 181-183 shoulded like it was all over? slowed down noise went away? Never found out what that was....something loose I guess or something caught under the car smacking in the wind.....either way it was fun!

my toys
68 SS camaro 350
69 firebird 350
68 firebird 400
69 SS chevelle 396
67 vette 327
68 vette 427
69 vette's 350 & 427 (kept the 427 until 10 years ago)
72 vette 350
74 vette 454 (junk)
78 vette 350 (junk)
84 vette 350 (junk)
87 vette 350 (getting better)
91 ZR1 350 ok a semi-fast car again.

Then of course anything I need to drive day to day a little tweaking.
3/4 ton pick-ups with 0-60 under 7 sec...LOL
The look on some kids faces.....

Beast_USA · 18-July-05, 01:00 AM

Went X2 4800+ on vapo cooling dual 7800's

Very nice!

St8ic · 04-August-05, 08:07 PM

I'm officially going into real estate.

HemiCuda1970 · 04-August-05, 09:07 PM

Faster is always better in my book...But the faster it runs the more hot it runs....
Like my Hemi runs hot and fast but so dose my Intel...But from what I have herd AMDs are frying pans when it comes to heat...Never had a AMD but am looking into one for my next rig...Depends if AMD can hit the 3Ghz mark or not...................

Cyno01 · 04-August-05, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HemiCuda1970


	.But from what I have herd AMDs are frying pans when it comes to heat...

Years ago that was true. But im pretty sure your average intel nowadays puts out quite a bit more heat than its AMD counterpart.

BigAkita · 04-August-05, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beast_USA


	Went X2 4800+ on vapo cooling dual 7800's Very nice!

Uh, yeah. Very nice. Can we get a pic or two of that rig? That's quite a bit more than most members can afford (or my...I mean their wife will allow them to spend). It would be nice to see a power system like that.

10-February-05, 02:51 PM		#1 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	Any Intel to FX people? I'm using a 3.4EE it's fast ...very happy with it. (max OC 4403) But I want SLI I have been looking at the FX55 with the MSI or Asus. (suggestions needed) I see they still use DDR not DDR2 (save some money ) I'm looking for someone that has/had top end intel and changed? Is the FX55 faster? can it do everything the EE can do? Right now with my EE @4gigs 24/7 I can recode a dvd on one monitor and play HL2 or Doom3 on the other NP. I tried that on a A64 3000+ with koolance and the DVD's kept being messed up and the game was choppy. No bashing please Just looking to up-grade in the next couple weeks and leaning towards take 55. Thanks

10-February-05, 04:19 PM		#2 (permalink)
SpikeShot Probationary User	The FX-55 is plain amazing and if you wait a little bit the newer 90 nm cores with the "E" stepping are due out, which means less power, heat, and hopefully better overclocks. I have an FX-55 in the family of "play with" PC's from friends and I can say that nothing surprised me more with its performance. It truly is worth the 800 dollar price tag. I figured that it would be a little better than my almost 4 gig Intel, but it was in another league. The P.4 EE is lacking in my opinon, and when you compare overclocks and benchmarks the regular Intel "E" holds its own. Now with the AMD its a little different. I have an AMD 3000+ 90 nm in house, and when fully overclocked with air cooling is scored 12,805 in Sandra Dhry. 2005 CPU test. Now...the FX-55 at only 2.845 scored over 13,000 in the same test, and although the AMD chip I had was geting close to its max this 55 CPU had another 300 or 400 MHz in her easy. (If you got the cooling) Want another...31, 000 in 3DMark2001 SE, compared to 27, 980 for the AMD 3000+, and Only 26,503 with my Intel at 3.9 (give or take here, all test had the same GPU though, X/800 XT, and X/800 XT PE) So if I were you and I had the money and "need" the FX-55 is the king. But if you like muiltitasking and video editing then the Intel is still amazing. I am always doing at least 3 things at one time unless playing one game (things still in the background though) and with AMD crashed more often than with Intel. So if you got the money go with it man. I know I would. But, considering what you have I think unless you really got alot of extra money noticing a huge improvement is not going to be really possible., but you will notice an improvement if you get your FX-55 over 3.0 Check out the PR Ultimate Benchmark Challenge thread as it may give you some ideas and help you out in chosing. Last edited by SpikeShot; 04-August-05 at 08:14 PM..

10-February-05, 04:28 PM		#4 (permalink)
SpikeShot Probationary User	The 512 extra cache helped alot in Sandra I think, but in the 3DMark/Real World gaming tests it was the sheer higher clock speed thanks to the strained silicon that both AMD and Intel uses. I am sure that if I could of goten the AMD 3000+ up and over 3.0 gigs then they would be close in alot of applications. And they would of course be better for gaming and faster when only using one program. Last edited by SpikeShot; 04-August-05 at 08:15 PM..

11-February-05, 05:41 PM		#5 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	Thank you both For the good solid answers.I was wonderingÃ‚â€¦.they look real good. Just wasnÃ‚â€™t sure it they could do everything at once. My EE gets 13K sis at only 3865 900fsb at 4 gigs (where I keep It most of the time) It gets just over 14500 in sis cpu. And I already break 30K in 3D 2001 I think I will get that FX-55 and go to FX-57 when it comes out. Maybe I will keep both for awhile just incaseÃ‚â€¦..game on the FX and work on the intel? But I will put the FX on vapo cooling Thanks again! Last edited by Beast_USA; 12-February-05 at 01:56 AM..

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10-February-05, 04:22 PM		#3 (permalink)
$SOLID$ Necro Mastah Overclocker	The reason Intel feels so strong is because it has "Hyperthreading" wich acts similar to having 2 CPU's handling the load, or "Multithreads" in programming terms. AMD FX-55 does not have this, but it will drop a Pentium 4EE on it's ass when it comes to gaming, you just have to decide wich is most important. The FX-55 is certainly more capable than the 3000+ at doing this thanks to more (1MB) Cache, Dual Channel memory, and faster clock speeds. The best option would be to wait a bit longer for the FX-57(2nd Quarter this year) it will be dual core on a single chip. This will solve the multitasking issue for AMD and will be worth the wait. The DFI Lan Party SLI is the best socket 939 for overclocking BTW, and the FX-57 will work in that board.

11-February-05, 05:57 PM		#6 (permalink)
$SOLID$ Necro Mastah Overclocker	Have you taken a shot at my Ultimate Benchmark Challenge then? 30K on a 01 is pretty damn good, I was getting 26K from my little Sempron 3100+(2.4+GHZ and X-800 Pro at 600x600. My next rig is underway, a Cryo cooled FX-55/ SLI 6800 Ultras..so bring it on! http://forums.pcapex.com/showthread.php?t=15065

12-February-05, 01:50 AM		#7 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	I don't have enough posts to enter 30310 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8150118 That was with my old pny 68U and PC4200...the bfg and PC3200 ultraX is faster. The bfg geil ultraX got my aqua over 100K I might build that FX in the next couple of weeks. They are looking real good. either bfg dual 68U's or leadteks. Takes me awhile..LOL I look for as much good input I can get first.

12-February-05, 02:28 AM		#8 (permalink)
$SOLID$ Necro Mastah Overclocker	I dumped the 50 post rule for all but the top "Uber Pimp" spot, Because there are some pretty fast machines (Macci or Oppainter for instance) out there that could walk in and take that spot real easy. This challenge is supposed to be for members that are involved in our community here, and that is the only reason, I just want to make sure people arent "Pop tarts" and then disapear after 2 posts back to there reguar forums. Very nice score BTW!

12-February-05, 03:31 AM		#11 (permalink)
Redigieren Apex Master Tech Apprentice	Because of my liberal spending so many of us have gone..... PHASE CRAZY. Yes we now should concider call our selves "orb whores".

12-February-05, 08:52 AM		#12 (permalink)
ZENNZZO Direct Cool Hoe	Frosty is as frosty does... ORBUS-WHOREUS-MAXIMUS...Ww WILL represent fellas!

13-February-05, 01:48 PM		#13 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	I'm 46 dam old I know......but it used to be cars....dump 20K in a motor...miss 2nd gear (you know shifting no clutch) and BOOOM cracked, blown or maybe complete junk So I waste a little money on my systems but it is still less then 1/4 of the cost of one bad shift And the police are never chasing you LOL And I haven't posted in any of the 4 forums I go to. I have been out of the loop for about two and half months because my dad had a heart attack. He's getting better and all is good so back to having some fun. My kids tell me that Fry's & that internet store (newegg & jab-tech) are to me what a drug store is to a drug addict...LOL.....OK but mines cheaper! I won't kill me or get me fired

13-February-05, 01:53 PM		#14 (permalink)
$SOLID$ Necro Mastah Overclocker	Seems us "Old" hot rodders just can't leave anything alone once we find out we can "Tweek" things huh? http://www.geocities.com/patdelaney36/HRC.html

13-February-05, 02:11 PM		#15 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	Solid you know what I'm saying......just always need to go faster.LOL My two favorite project cars 69 vette rollered, dual tunnel, shifting modifed hurst (I made) 4 speed. 91 ZR1 same dumped millions just so I could go 200+ and at about 165 lost front spoiler, 175-178 cracked front fender wall (never broke ) 181-183 shoulded like it was all over? slowed down noise went away? Never found out what that was....something loose I guess or something caught under the car smacking in the wind.....either way it was fun! my toys 68 SS camaro 350 69 firebird 350 68 firebird 400 69 SS chevelle 396 67 vette 327 68 vette 427 69 vette's 350 & 427 (kept the 427 until 10 years ago) 72 vette 350 74 vette 454 (junk) 78 vette 350 (junk) 84 vette 350 (junk) 87 vette 350 (getting better) 91 ZR1 350 ok a semi-fast car again. Then of course anything I need to drive day to day a little tweaking. 3/4 ton pick-ups with 0-60 under 7 sec...LOL The look on some kids faces.....

18-July-05, 01:00 AM		#16 (permalink)
Beast_USA Banned	Went X2 4800+ on vapo cooling dual 7800's Very nice!

04-August-05, 08:07 PM		#17 (permalink)
St8ic Apex Master Tech Apprentice	I'm officially going into real estate.

04-August-05, 09:07 PM		#18 (permalink)
HemiCuda1970 Apex Tech Maniac	Faster is always better in my book...But the faster it runs the more hot it runs.... Like my Hemi runs hot and fast but so dose my Intel...But from what I have herd AMDs are frying pans when it comes to heat...Never had a AMD but am looking into one for my next rig...Depends if AMD can hit the 3Ghz mark or not...................

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