having trouble with fsb o/c need help

xwskx · 30-January-05, 11:59 AM

i have a amd 3200 xp++, with the asus k7n8x-e deluxe

its currently overclocked at 2500 mhz (12.5 x 200)
the load temp is in the lower 40c, so i want to push it more.
But everytime i increase the fsb, i'm having trouble with the
prime 95 ram test.

Does this mean i have ****ty rams and i can't o/c anymore?
The ram i'm using is ocz pc3200, so called "high performance ram".

Or is my northside bridge the source of the problem?
It runs at 30c on load, and that seems pretty hot.

Any suggestions will be appreciated, thanks in advance.

Cpt.Planet · 30-January-05, 01:08 PM

Maybe up the voltage on your ram or loosen ur timings. Im no familiar with that board is it nvida or via chipset?

xwskx · 30-January-05, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet


	Maybe up the voltage on your ram or loosen ur timings. Im no familiar with that board is it nvida or via chipset?

It's Nforce 2

MaTtsPc · 30-January-05, 04:33 PM

I would try to lossen the ram timings up a little bit. Or maybe bump up the Vcore a tad more.. your temps are still looking fair. What kind of u cooler are you running? And maybe you should try to bump up the ram voltage up a bit to.. Try that out and get back to us.

Matt

xwskx · 30-January-05, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTtsPc


	I would try to lossen the ram timings up a little bit. Or maybe bump up the Vcore a tad more.. your temps are still looking fair. What kind of u cooler are you running? And maybe you should try to bump up the ram voltage up a bit to.. Try that out and get back to us. Matt

well, i'm currently using a dangerden tdx, with black ice II radiators.
i tried increasing the voltage for the ram to 2.7v but its still seems to have
problems i also tried increase the timing.

it was 2.5 -3 -3 -3 - 7
and i changed it to 3 -4 -4 -4 -7

what do u suggest for voltage and timing?

Cpt.Planet · 30-January-05, 07:18 PM

What is the voltage set for the CPU? maybe try upping that little

godfoot · 30-January-05, 07:33 PM

The RAM, IMO is not what is holding you back at the moment. I have PC2700 HyperX and I can push my XP2000+ to nearly what yours is running now (2.43GHz). Try upping the voltage on your CPU to about 1.675 or 1.7 volts and see where that gets you.
Also, which line of OCZ RAM do you have exactly, that will help determine what timings you can run.
My 2.43GHz was still at 2-2-2-11, without loosening timings at all.

xwskx · 30-January-05, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by godfoot


	The RAM, IMO is not what is holding you back at the moment. I have PC2700 HyperX and I can push my XP2000+ to nearly what yours is running now (2.43GHz). Try upping the voltage on your CPU to about 1.675 or 1.7 volts and see where that gets you. Also, which line of OCZ RAM do you have exactly, that will help determine what timings you can run. My 2.43GHz was still at 2-2-2-11, without loosening timings at all.

My current cpu voltage is at 1.75 and the ram is "DDRAM 512MB C2 PC3200 PREMIER OCZ"
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...146-917&depa=0

godfoot · 30-January-05, 10:20 PM

Ok, maybe RAM does play in a little here, as that is not OCZ's "Premier" line of RAM even though it is called premiere. Also, it states that it only supports 2.6 volts (not that that has ever really stopped the crazy OCers) the thing I noticed off the bat is the original timings are only 2.5-3-3-7 which let me know right away that it isn't great RAM. Most PC3200 out there now that is good for OCing is in the 2-2-2-5 range, although not all at stock timings.
I am by no means the OC guru here though so you may want to wait for someone else to drop in.

xwskx · 30-January-05, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by godfoot


	Ok, maybe RAM does play in a little here, as that is not OCZ's "Premier" line of RAM even though it is called premiere. Also, it states that it only supports 2.6 volts (not that that has ever really stopped the crazy OCers) the thing I noticed off the bat is the original timings are only 2.5-3-3-7 which let me know right away that it isn't great RAM. Most PC3200 out there now that is good for OCing is in the 2-2-2-5 range, although not all at stock timings. I am by no means the OC guru here though so you may want to wait for someone else to drop in.

Don't you just love how these companies like to play with words.
I guess this is what i get for trying to save a couple of bucks.

Cpt.Planet · 30-January-05, 11:08 PM

Yea ram and your powersupply has alot to to with it my psu and ram limit my over clocks. I hit like 2.55ghz on a 2700+ then my psu craps out. I think im running like 220 by 11.5 with my ram at 2.7 and my cpu 1.825. Running all at a cool 38 C with folding running 100%

MaTtsPc · 31-January-05, 12:11 AM

No for sure you are going to need a bump in the Vcore bro. dont even worry about the ram try out this

Vcore 1.83V Or as close to that as possable! I dont know what m/b you have.
Ram 2.7V at 2.5-3-3-11 also try 2.5-4-4-11If not stable.. But for sure its going to be the jump in Vcore bro.. try it out.. just WATCH your temps

let us know..

Matt

xwskx · 31-January-05, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTtsPc


	No for sure you are going to need a bump in the Vcore bro. dont even worry about the ram try out this Vcore 1.83V Or as close to that as possable! I dont know what m/b you have. Ram 2.7V at 2.5-3-3-11 also try 2.5-4-4-11If not stable.. But for sure its going to be the jump in Vcore bro.. try it out.. just WATCH your temps let us know.. Matt

increasing the vcore to 1.825v did the trick.
got a little excited and i pushed it too far.
my psu didn't have enough juice, and my raptor
drive lost power during boot. i think the drive head
didn't park before i lost power. now i got to send it back.
oh well... at least i had fun.

i only had a 1c degree change when i pushed it to 2600
should i purchase a better psu and try again?

MaTtsPc · 31-January-05, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xwskx


	increasing the vcore to 1.825v did the trick. got a little excited and i pushed it too far. my psu didn't have enough juice, and my raptor drive lost power during boot. i think the drive head didn't park before i lost power. now i got to send it back. oh well... at least i had fun. i only had a 1c degree change when i pushed it to 2600 should i purchase a better psu and try again?

WAHO WAHO WAHO!! WHAT did you lose?? Just not booting you didnt lose anything.. nothing is bad dude.. you just might have did something wrong.. Get back on here let me know whats whats.. And what kind of PSU do you have right now?? If you have a Messanger program IM me on AIM, YAHOO..

AIM : ScHwArTx22
Yahoo : jerry_huz
Msn : jerryhuz@hotmail.com..

Matt

xwskx · 31-January-05, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTtsPc


	WAHO WAHO WAHO!! WHAT did you lose?? Just not booting you didnt lose anything.. nothing is bad dude.. you just might have did something wrong.. Get back on here let me know whats whats.. And what kind of PSU do you have right now?? If you have a Messanger program IM me on AIM, YAHOO.. AIM : ScHwArTx22 Yahoo : jerry_huz Msn : jerryhuz@hotmail.com.. Matt

well the motherboard boots, but my sata raptor drive makes funny clicking noises.
I'm actually using the same computer using my secondary hard drive with linux.
i never heard of a hard drive breaking because of power failure, but in my case
it seems to be the exception.

i already tried it on my roomates and its dead.

btw i'm using a silenx 400 watt psu

Cpt.Planet · 31-January-05, 07:43 AM

Is the drive recognized at all by the bios? I have the same hdd as you and have never experienced that. WesternDigital is normaly pretty good with RMA and very fast. Id maybe give it a while and then try and see if u can get it to boot.

xwskx · 31-January-05, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet


	Is the drive recognized at all by the bios? I have the same hdd as you and have never experienced that. WesternDigital is normaly pretty good with RMA and very fast. Id maybe give it a while and then try and see if u can get it to boot.

tried it this morning, it hangs on the sata bios load up.
so i thought it might be the sata controller, and i used
my friends sata drive and it works.

MaTtsPc · 31-January-05, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xwskx


	tried it this morning, it hangs on the sata bios load up. so i thought it might be the sata controller, and i used my friends sata drive and it works.

Hummm Ive shut my computer off many times... Without proper shutdown.. i mean i just hit the kill switch on the PSU sometimes while in windows.. ive never ever had that problem before... Just make sure in your bios that its set to boot add on cards frist.. and make sure its on boot ON BOARD SATA..

EDIT: I did not see your above post... If its clicking and making funny noises.. Its dead.. RMA time.. and check out this cheap PSU for under 40 bucks. its the best psu out! this thing took out my antec 430 Ture power.... The rails are ROCK solid.. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...153-006&DEPA=0 ... I run this psu with everything lissted in my SIG and the rails are still ROCK solid.

Matt

xwskx · 31-January-05, 08:06 PM

Well back to overclocking,

i've successfully reached 2632 mhz (12.5 x 210),
but my windows seems less responsive what could be the cause of this?

i also have a question about my settings.
i've set the vcore at 1.825v but the actual vcore readings from the motherboard
says i'm hitting 1.904v. can i push the voltage more or should i be worried?

Cpt.Planet · 31-January-05, 08:33 PM

Im not exactly sure what causes this maybe its the memory. Im not sure but im sure somebody has the answer ive noticed taht to with mine.

30-January-05, 11:59 AM		#1 (permalink)
xwskx Apex Techie Lite	having trouble with fsb o/c need help i have a amd 3200 xp++, with the asus k7n8x-e deluxe its currently overclocked at 2500 mhz (12.5 x 200) the load temp is in the lower 40c, so i want to push it more. But everytime i increase the fsb, i'm having trouble with the prime 95 ram test. Does this mean i have ****ty rams and i can't o/c anymore? The ram i'm using is ocz pc3200, so called "high performance ram". Or is my northside bridge the source of the problem? It runs at 30c on load, and that seems pretty hot. Any suggestions will be appreciated, thanks in advance.

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30-January-05, 01:08 PM		#2 (permalink)
Cpt.Planet That's Mr. Freeze to you!	Maybe up the voltage on your ram or loosen ur timings. Im no familiar with that board is it nvida or via chipset?

30-January-05, 04:33 PM		#4 (permalink)
MaTtsPc Apex Tech God	I would try to lossen the ram timings up a little bit. Or maybe bump up the Vcore a tad more.. your temps are still looking fair. What kind of u cooler are you running? And maybe you should try to bump up the ram voltage up a bit to.. Try that out and get back to us. Matt

30-January-05, 07:18 PM		#6 (permalink)
Cpt.Planet That's Mr. Freeze to you!	What is the voltage set for the CPU? maybe try upping that little

30-January-05, 07:33 PM		#7 (permalink)
godfoot A George Orwell fan...sorta	The RAM, IMO is not what is holding you back at the moment. I have PC2700 HyperX and I can push my XP2000+ to nearly what yours is running now (2.43GHz). Try upping the voltage on your CPU to about 1.675 or 1.7 volts and see where that gets you. Also, which line of OCZ RAM do you have exactly, that will help determine what timings you can run. My 2.43GHz was still at 2-2-2-11, without loosening timings at all.

30-January-05, 10:20 PM		#9 (permalink)
godfoot A George Orwell fan...sorta	Ok, maybe RAM does play in a little here, as that is not OCZ's "Premier" line of RAM even though it is called premiere. Also, it states that it only supports 2.6 volts (not that that has ever really stopped the crazy OCers) the thing I noticed off the bat is the original timings are only 2.5-3-3-7 which let me know right away that it isn't great RAM. Most PC3200 out there now that is good for OCing is in the 2-2-2-5 range, although not all at stock timings. I am by no means the OC guru here though so you may want to wait for someone else to drop in.

30-January-05, 11:08 PM		#11 (permalink)
Cpt.Planet That's Mr. Freeze to you!	Yea ram and your powersupply has alot to to with it my psu and ram limit my over clocks. I hit like 2.55ghz on a 2700+ then my psu craps out. I think im running like 220 by 11.5 with my ram at 2.7 and my cpu 1.825. Running all at a cool 38 C with folding running 100%

31-January-05, 12:11 AM		#12 (permalink)
MaTtsPc Apex Tech God	No for sure you are going to need a bump in the Vcore bro. dont even worry about the ram try out this Vcore 1.83V Or as close to that as possable! I dont know what m/b you have. Ram 2.7V at 2.5-3-3-11 also try 2.5-4-4-11If not stable.. But for sure its going to be the jump in Vcore bro.. try it out.. just WATCH your temps let us know.. Matt

31-January-05, 07:43 AM		#16 (permalink)
Cpt.Planet That's Mr. Freeze to you!	Is the drive recognized at all by the bios? I have the same hdd as you and have never experienced that. WesternDigital is normaly pretty good with RMA and very fast. Id maybe give it a while and then try and see if u can get it to boot.

31-January-05, 08:06 PM		#19 (permalink)
xwskx Apex Techie Lite	Well back to overclocking, i've successfully reached 2632 mhz (12.5 x 210), but my windows seems less responsive what could be the cause of this? i also have a question about my settings. i've set the vcore at 1.825v but the actual vcore readings from the motherboard says i'm hitting 1.904v. can i push the voltage more or should i be worried?

31-January-05, 08:33 PM		#20 (permalink)
Cpt.Planet That's Mr. Freeze to you!	Im not exactly sure what causes this maybe its the memory. Im not sure but im sure somebody has the answer ive noticed taht to with mine.